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Less Jobs, more Woz

thomassmith65 1y ago
More of either of them works for me. Compared to Musk or Zuckerberg or Andreessen or Altman or Bezos or any other 2025 tech fucko, Jobs is Woz.
- bluefirebrand 1y ago
  Please don't kid yourself All of these men today are the way they are because they are trying to emulate Jobs
  - insane_dreamer 1y ago
    Not that I wish it on any of them, but getting cancer changes you.
  - thomassmith65 1y ago
    They absolutely 100% are trying to emulate Steve Jobs. But the version of Steve Jobs they have in their heads is a caricature. Steve Jobs wanted the world to see him as some sort of artistic, cultured genius. The only aspects of Steve Jobs that today's crop of tech CEOs seem to emulate are his wealth and arrogance. • Wojcicki admired Jobs while Youtube had the most depraved and moronic comment section on the internet • Huffman admired Jobs while Reddit had a 'watch people die' subreddit • Zuckerberg admired Jobs while nuts used Facebook to livestream the Christchurch massacre and Whatsapp to incite mobs to kill Rohingya • Bezos admired Jobs while Amazon was promoting dollar-store junk on every page • Musk admired Jobs while Grok was dubbing itself 'MechaHitler' Those examples are embarrassing enough, though we could go on an on with more. There's no version of Steve Jobs who would allow such garbage to tarnish his image.
    - iamdelirium 1y ago
      Are you sure you don't have a caricature of Jobs in your head? Apple did a lot of controversial things under Jobs. * The raids for leaks * The no cold call agreements * etc
      - sitkack 1y ago
        They aren't deifying jobs, Jobs was an asshole, but when you confabulate what you think is your tech god and then larp as that, you make a worse version of everything.
      - deleted 1y ago
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    - MengerSponge 1y ago
      Taste is hard to cultivate. You have to care about things like art to cultivate it. As a result all of these dweebs are trying to ape Steve Jobs and they're just succeeding at his worst traits: arrogance and cruelty and a lack of empathy. > The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products. https://libquotes.com/steve-jobs/quote/lbm0q6a https://libquotes.com/steve-jobs/quote/lbm0q6a
    - exoverito 1y ago
      It seems the selected examples in your tendentious anaphora are entirely about justifying censorship and centralization. Strikes me as ironic, since the hacker ethos has been stridently libertarian, information wants to be free and all that. Now I hear more people like yourself, practically begging for restrictions and top down control. Reminds me of the covid hysteria over 'misinformation' around the lab leak theory and gain of function research. Many reasonable criticisms were censored by the big tech platforms. For example, lockdowns were immensely destructive and have never been recommended policy in response to epidemics, school closures caused significant harm to children who were at no real risk of the virus, Fauci admitted 6 feet of social distancing was arbitrary and not based on any science, and policies requiring cloth masks were not found to have any significant effect in preventing transmission, etc..
      - thomassmith65 1y ago
        Steve Jobs didn't allow porn on the App Store. It wasn't the end of the world. Besides, it would be easy to list 100 more examples of trashy practices (eg: preinstalled crapware, intrusive advertising, dark patterns, etc) for today's tech companies that have nothing to do with censorship.
  - askl 1y ago
    Elon Musk: When you order Steve Jobs on Temu.
- throw45f3s2w 1y ago
  I’m actually pretty satisfied we have Chang, Huang, and Su.
layer8 1y ago
Present-day Apple could use some more Jobs, though.
helveticabold48 1y ago
Actually the world needs more Jobs too. More Jobs, more Woz. Brilliant engineers and hackers need to partner with some super egotistic, charismatic, bullying asshole visionaries to make a dent. Remember how Jobs single handedly bullied Adobe Flash into its graveyard? Bullied record labels into selling individual songs instead of the whole CD? Cannot imagine Woz doing that. Elon is the next Jobs only even harder to stomach. I wouldn't want to work for these people but they, along with those who can work along side them, change the world.
- WalterBright 1y ago
  Elon is an engineer's engineer.
  - bickfordb 1y ago
    What software or system did he write that you've used?
    - jibal 1y ago
      Right? Musk isn't any sort of engineer. At most he reviews and comments on the work of engineers.
      - WalterBright 1y ago
        His name is on many patents. For many other engineering qualifications and work, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
        simgt 1y ago
        Come on, your comments trail shows that you have a lot of experience. You know that being on a patent doesn't make one an inventor, just like being on a peer-reviewed paper doesn't make one a contributor. Yes Musk seems to be a deeply technical person, even Karpathy wrote it somewhere here after he resigned, but these credentials you're citing are not the proof.
pbreit 1y ago
You could not be more wrong. Woz was in the right place at the right time. Jobs would have found someone else and no one would ever have heard of Woz. Jobs gave us some of the most amazing products the world has ever seen.
- jibal 1y ago
  You could not be more wrong.
1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago
Woz on Musk's Tesla, Inc.: https://www.slashdot.org/~SteveWoz https://www.slashdot.org/~SteveWoz Comment Re:No Autonomy (Score 2) 125 by SteveWoz on Monday April 13, 2020 @09:13AM (#59940526) Attached to: Elon Musk Still Predicts 1 Million Tesla Robotaxis By the End of the Year You might have missed that Musk made the same claim about 2016, with the 1-camera sensor system. The 2017 claim was with the newer 8-camera system, and the claim was made before Tesla even had software for the new sensors, and the Tesla then lacked adaptive cruise control, adaptive high beam, self parking, summon, and other things that the prior model did have. I'm embarrassed that I actually believed these claims. _____________________ Comment Die in your sleep... (Score 1) 213 by SteveWoz on Saturday June 22, 2019 @11:30PM (#58807154) Attached to: People Keep Spotting Teslas With Snoozing Drivers On the Freeway At least Tesla respects our right to die in our sleep. _____________________ Comment Re:Maybe they just realized (Score 1) 172 by SteveWoz on Friday June 02, 2017 @02:55PM (#54537213) Attached to: Denmark Is Killing Tesla and Other Electric Cars You meant to say 'great' cars with 'some' quality problems. Autocorrect can be a bitch...

Less Jobs, more Woz

More of either of them works for me. Compared to Musk or Zuckerberg or Andreessen or Altman or Bezos or any other 2025 tech fucko, Jobs is Woz.

bluefirebrand 1y ago
Please don't kid yourself All of these men today are the way they are because they are trying to emulate Jobs
- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  Not that I wish it on any of them, but getting cancer changes you.
- thomassmith65 1y ago
  They absolutely 100% are trying to emulate Steve Jobs. But the version of Steve Jobs they have in their heads is a caricature. Steve Jobs wanted the world to see him as some sort of artistic, cultured genius. The only aspects of Steve Jobs that today's crop of tech CEOs seem to emulate are his wealth and arrogance. • Wojcicki admired Jobs while Youtube had the most depraved and moronic comment section on the internet • Huffman admired Jobs while Reddit had a 'watch people die' subreddit • Zuckerberg admired Jobs while nuts used Facebook to livestream the Christchurch massacre and Whatsapp to incite mobs to kill Rohingya • Bezos admired Jobs while Amazon was promoting dollar-store junk on every page • Musk admired Jobs while Grok was dubbing itself 'MechaHitler' Those examples are embarrassing enough, though we could go on an on with more. There's no version of Steve Jobs who would allow such garbage to tarnish his image.
  - iamdelirium 1y ago
    Are you sure you don't have a caricature of Jobs in your head? Apple did a lot of controversial things under Jobs. * The raids for leaks * The no cold call agreements * etc
    - sitkack 1y ago
      They aren't deifying jobs, Jobs was an asshole, but when you confabulate what you think is your tech god and then larp as that, you make a worse version of everything.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
  - MengerSponge 1y ago
    Taste is hard to cultivate. You have to care about things like art to cultivate it. As a result all of these dweebs are trying to ape Steve Jobs and they're just succeeding at his worst traits: arrogance and cruelty and a lack of empathy. > The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products. https://libquotes.com/steve-jobs/quote/lbm0q6a https://libquotes.com/steve-jobs/quote/lbm0q6a
  - exoverito 1y ago
    It seems the selected examples in your tendentious anaphora are entirely about justifying censorship and centralization. Strikes me as ironic, since the hacker ethos has been stridently libertarian, information wants to be free and all that. Now I hear more people like yourself, practically begging for restrictions and top down control. Reminds me of the covid hysteria over 'misinformation' around the lab leak theory and gain of function research. Many reasonable criticisms were censored by the big tech platforms. For example, lockdowns were immensely destructive and have never been recommended policy in response to epidemics, school closures caused significant harm to children who were at no real risk of the virus, Fauci admitted 6 feet of social distancing was arbitrary and not based on any science, and policies requiring cloth masks were not found to have any significant effect in preventing transmission, etc..
    - thomassmith65 1y ago
      Steve Jobs didn't allow porn on the App Store. It wasn't the end of the world. Besides, it would be easy to list 100 more examples of trashy practices (eg: preinstalled crapware, intrusive advertising, dark patterns, etc) for today's tech companies that have nothing to do with censorship.
- askl 1y ago
  Elon Musk: When you order Steve Jobs on Temu.
throw45f3s2w 1y ago
I’m actually pretty satisfied we have Chang, Huang, and Su.

layer8 1y ago

Present-day Apple could use some more Jobs, though.

helveticabold48 1y ago

Actually the world needs more Jobs too. More Jobs, more Woz. Brilliant engineers and hackers need to partner with some super egotistic, charismatic, bullying asshole visionaries to make a dent. Remember how Jobs single handedly bullied Adobe Flash into its graveyard? Bullied record labels into selling individual songs instead of the whole CD? Cannot imagine Woz doing that. Elon is the next Jobs only even harder to stomach. I wouldn't want to work for these people but they, along with those who can work along side them, change the world.

WalterBright 1y ago
Elon is an engineer's engineer.
- bickfordb 1y ago
  What software or system did he write that you've used?
  - jibal 1y ago
    Right? Musk isn't any sort of engineer. At most he reviews and comments on the work of engineers.
    - WalterBright 1y ago
      His name is on many patents. For many other engineering qualifications and work, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
      - simgt 1y ago
        Come on, your comments trail shows that you have a lot of experience. You know that being on a patent doesn't make one an inventor, just like being on a peer-reviewed paper doesn't make one a contributor. Yes Musk seems to be a deeply technical person, even Karpathy wrote it somewhere here after he resigned, but these credentials you're citing are not the proof.

pbreit 1y ago

You could not be more wrong. Woz was in the right place at the right time. Jobs would have found someone else and no one would ever have heard of Woz. Jobs gave us some of the most amazing products the world has ever seen.

jibal 1y ago
You could not be more wrong.

1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago

Woz on Musk's Tesla, Inc.: https://www.slashdot.org/~SteveWoz https://www.slashdot.org/~SteveWoz Comment Re:No Autonomy (Score 2) 125 by SteveWoz on Monday April 13, 2020 @09:13AM (#59940526) Attached to: Elon Musk Still Predicts 1 Million Tesla Robotaxis By the End of the Year You might have missed that Musk made the same claim about 2016, with the 1-camera sensor system. The 2017 claim was with the newer 8-camera system, and the claim was made before Tesla even had software for the new sensors, and the Tesla then lacked adaptive cruise control, adaptive high beam, self parking, summon, and other things that the prior model did have. I'm embarrassed that I actually believed these claims. _____________________ Comment Die in your sleep... (Score 1) 213 by SteveWoz on Saturday June 22, 2019 @11:30PM (#58807154) Attached to: People Keep Spotting Teslas With Snoozing Drivers On the Freeway At least Tesla respects our right to die in our sleep. _____________________ Comment Re:Maybe they just realized (Score 1) 172 by SteveWoz on Friday June 02, 2017 @02:55PM (#54537213) Attached to: Denmark Is Killing Tesla and Other Electric Cars You meant to say 'great' cars with 'some' quality problems. Autocorrect can be a bitch...