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> egal tender only applies to debts. I used to think that was true, but try paying parking fines, etc. with pennies. Legal tender has never been challenged in

> egal tender only applies to debts. I used to think that was true, but try paying parking fines, etc. with pennies. Legal tender has never been challenged in court to my knowledge

dragonwriter 1y ago
> Legal tender has never been challenged in court to my knowledge It was challenged and upheld, both as against debts before the the legal tender acts were passed and those after, by the Supreme Court in Knox v. Lee (1871).
- SJC_Hacker 1y ago
  Yet the US government can refuse payments in cash https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/10/03/2017-21194/cash-payment-method-will-no-longer-be-accepted https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/10/03/2017-21...
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    Yes. Because a patent filing fee is not a debt. (And because government can exempt itself from virtually anything not forbidden by the Constitution. This is why cops can break down your door, but I can't.)
ceejayoz 1y ago
Parking fines aren't debts, and thus, legal tender doesn't apply. https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/seventh-circuit/city-sanctioned-fines-not-debts-under-fdcpa/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/seventh-circuit/city-sanc... > The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals ruled this week that city-levied fines are not debts under the FDCPA... District courts, for what it's worth, uniformly agree that a fine does not stem from a consensual transaction, and thus is not a debt under the FDCPA.
- SJC_Hacker 1y ago
  > a fine does not stem from a consensual transaction, and thus is not a debt under the FDCPA. Which transactions with the government is "consensual" where it doesn't demand payment up front (like a contractor)? This goes back to my idea that while legal tender is a nice idea, in practice it means nothing
pbhjpbhj 1y ago
In the UK the definition of legal tender includes a limit on the use of small denominations.

> egal tender only applies to debts. I used to think that was true, but try paying parking fines, etc. with pennies. Legal tender has never been challenged in court to my knowledge

dragonwriter 1y ago

> Legal tender has never been challenged in court to my knowledge It was challenged and upheld, both as against debts before the the legal tender acts were passed and those after, by the Supreme Court in Knox v. Lee (1871).

SJC_Hacker 1y ago
Yet the US government can refuse payments in cash https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/10/03/2017-21194/cash-payment-method-will-no-longer-be-accepted https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/10/03/2017-21...
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  Yes. Because a patent filing fee is not a debt. (And because government can exempt itself from virtually anything not forbidden by the Constitution. This is why cops can break down your door, but I can't.)

ceejayoz 1y ago

Parking fines aren't debts, and thus, legal tender doesn't apply. https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/seventh-circuit/city-sanctioned-fines-not-debts-under-fdcpa/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/seventh-circuit/city-sanc... > The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals ruled this week that city-levied fines are not debts under the FDCPA... District courts, for what it's worth, uniformly agree that a fine does not stem from a consensual transaction, and thus is not a debt under the FDCPA.

SJC_Hacker 1y ago
> a fine does not stem from a consensual transaction, and thus is not a debt under the FDCPA. Which transactions with the government is "consensual" where it doesn't demand payment up front (like a contractor)? This goes back to my idea that while legal tender is a nice idea, in practice it means nothing

pbhjpbhj 1y ago

In the UK the definition of legal tender includes a limit on the use of small denominations.