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>There are groups I'm not part of. This makes me sad. I want to be part of those groups. Yes, but that inherently dilutes the very conception of a group. This

>There are groups I'm not part of. This makes me sad. I want to be part of those groups. Yes, but that inherently dilutes the very conception of a group. This is pretty basic stuff. Groups must be exclusive or they have no meaning. I understand this will make some people sad and, unfortunately, that's okay. It makes me sad that I will never be Japanese. What a beautiful country. Man, am I sad. But that's alright, isn't it?

_def 1y ago
Is it alright? Do you live in Japan? Otherwise this comparison is pointless.
- catigula 1y ago
  Why? The premise of the post is that we're all world citizens. Why does it matter where I live? I need only simply desire to live somewhere and be something and my wish should be granted lest I be sad, which the Japanese must obviously take very, very seriously. They must ensure I am not sad. In fact, the comparison is even more apt because it becomes more obviously absurd.
  - _def 1y ago
    You are completely ignoring the lived reality of that person and compare it to some strawman fantasy argument. You are not responsible for other peoples feelings. You are responsible to act respectfully.
    - catigula 1y ago
      This comment is likely a special pleading fallacy. I've already addressed the fact that someone having hurt feelings is probably not a good argument.
jmye 1y ago
“You don’t see me as a member of your specific ethnic group because I’m genealogically not” and “you don’t see me as a member or citizen of your country because we’re not genealogically the same” are not the same thing, and it’s deeply (and intentionally) dishonest to pretend they are. Being an American, for instance, should not exclude anyone who wants to be a part of the group, and the only folks suggesting it should typically have one or two groups they specifically want excluded. That is obviously not all right, however much you’d like it normalized.
- cozyman 1y ago
  are you saying Japan is an ethnostate?
- catigula 1y ago
  It's interesting that there is special pleading for universal membership of certain states and special pleading for exclusive membership of others depending on what I can only assume is their predominant ethnic makeup. Also, accusing people of being intentionally dishonest isn't some good-faith observation, it's a personal attack and shouldn't be allowed unless you can substantiate your claims, which you cannot because they are baseless. People who do this dined out for far too long on being able to silence people with implications.

_def 1y ago

Is it alright? Do you live in Japan? Otherwise this comparison is pointless.

catigula 1y ago
Why? The premise of the post is that we're all world citizens. Why does it matter where I live? I need only simply desire to live somewhere and be something and my wish should be granted lest I be sad, which the Japanese must obviously take very, very seriously. They must ensure I am not sad. In fact, the comparison is even more apt because it becomes more obviously absurd.
- _def 1y ago
  You are completely ignoring the lived reality of that person and compare it to some strawman fantasy argument. You are not responsible for other peoples feelings. You are responsible to act respectfully.
  - catigula 1y ago
    This comment is likely a special pleading fallacy. I've already addressed the fact that someone having hurt feelings is probably not a good argument.

jmye 1y ago

“You don’t see me as a member of your specific ethnic group because I’m genealogically not” and “you don’t see me as a member or citizen of your country because we’re not genealogically the same” are not the same thing, and it’s deeply (and intentionally) dishonest to pretend they are. Being an American, for instance, should not exclude anyone who wants to be a part of the group, and the only folks suggesting it should typically have one or two groups they specifically want excluded. That is obviously not all right, however much you’d like it normalized.

cozyman 1y ago
are you saying Japan is an ethnostate?
catigula 1y ago
It's interesting that there is special pleading for universal membership of certain states and special pleading for exclusive membership of others depending on what I can only assume is their predominant ethnic makeup. Also, accusing people of being intentionally dishonest isn't some good-faith observation, it's a personal attack and shouldn't be allowed unless you can substantiate your claims, which you cannot because they are baseless. People who do this dined out for far too long on being able to silence people with implications.