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>- You don't allow importing unskilled workers and expect farmers to pay $30/hour to have Americans pick apples. That's the same argument used against abolishm

>- You don't allow importing unskilled workers and expect farmers to pay $30/hour to have Americans pick apples. That's the same argument used against abolishment of slavery. "Who will pick all the cotton?" Except today it's not slavery, it's indentured servitude.

seanmcdirmid 1y ago
No, it means the elevator operator just doesn't exist anymore. We didn't pay them more, we got rid of them. If agriculture workers don't exist anymore at the wages the market is willing to bear, we just won't bother with those foods anymore, or import them from somewhere else. I'm uncomfortable with how racist HN has become. Because your ancestors were white they were permitted a chance to work from the bottom up, but because today's immigrants aren't white, you think its either slavery or exploitation, and they should just stay in poor countries accordingly (a situation that was not forced on your ancestors, for your benefit). Or if it isn’t racism, what is your reasoning for pulling up the ladder today?
- _mlbt 1y ago
  > I'm uncomfortable with how racist HN has become. You’re the one that’s bringing race into the argument. I don’t care what race they are, I don’t want any illegal immigrants in this country. America’s obligation is to its own citizens first and foremost. This should not be a controversial opinion. Every country should put the interests of its own citizens first.
- lesuorac 1y ago
  > If agriculture workers don't exist anymore at the wages the market is willing to bear, we just won't bother with those foods anymore, or import them from somewhere else. Expand H-2A: Temporary Agricultural Worker visa then. We shouldn't be encouraging black market activity. If as the US we want to have cheap imported labor pick apples then write it into law. If we as the US want to experience the Baumol effect [1] then don't. I think most people want to experience the Baumol effect as opposed to losing out gains to trade. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  So ironic that your post full of racist name calling and wanting to support a perpetual underclass of people stuck in indentured servitude, masquerading as empathy, and then you're the one calling everyone who disagrees with you racist. Pro tip: in case of actual racism, use the flag button.
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seanmcdirmid 1y ago

No, it means the elevator operator just doesn't exist anymore. We didn't pay them more, we got rid of them. If agriculture workers don't exist anymore at the wages the market is willing to bear, we just won't bother with those foods anymore, or import them from somewhere else. I'm uncomfortable with how racist HN has become. Because your ancestors were white they were permitted a chance to work from the bottom up, but because today's immigrants aren't white, you think its either slavery or exploitation, and they should just stay in poor countries accordingly (a situation that was not forced on your ancestors, for your benefit). Or if it isn’t racism, what is your reasoning for pulling up the ladder today?

_mlbt 1y ago
> I'm uncomfortable with how racist HN has become. You’re the one that’s bringing race into the argument. I don’t care what race they are, I don’t want any illegal immigrants in this country. America’s obligation is to its own citizens first and foremost. This should not be a controversial opinion. Every country should put the interests of its own citizens first.
lesuorac 1y ago
> If agriculture workers don't exist anymore at the wages the market is willing to bear, we just won't bother with those foods anymore, or import them from somewhere else. Expand H-2A: Temporary Agricultural Worker visa then. We shouldn't be encouraging black market activity. If as the US we want to have cheap imported labor pick apples then write it into law. If we as the US want to experience the Baumol effect [1] then don't. I think most people want to experience the Baumol effect as opposed to losing out gains to trade. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect
FirmwareBurner 1y ago
So ironic that your post full of racist name calling and wanting to support a perpetual underclass of people stuck in indentured servitude, masquerading as empathy, and then you're the one calling everyone who disagrees with you racist. Pro tip: in case of actual racism, use the flag button.
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