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>is just going to turn us from a rich country into a poor country, What value is the country getting richer if the people are still poor? Wealth inequality is

>is just going to turn us from a rich country into a poor country, What value is the country getting richer if the people are still poor? Wealth inequality is a real thing, and importing more labor competition for the working class people only devalues their labor, serving only to make the business owning elites richer while keeping workers poor. Bernie Sanders even said that himself. The "line goes up" stock market and GDP numbers are abstract numbers for the working class people that don't reflect in their purchasing power or quality of life. The person flipping burgers at McD for $12 an hour, isn't gonna be better off now that Microsoft and Nvidia are worth 4 trillion instead of 1 trillion. It literally makes no difference to them. So as long as there's no trickle down, why would people care about their country getting richer, when it's just the top 10% of the country who are seeing that richness and not them?

seanmcdirmid 1y ago
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- _mlbt 1y ago
  The issue isn’t race. Typical Americans would be just as against illegal immigration if it were white Europeans flooding into our country. The uncomfortable reality is that illegal immigration is a net negative for society, particularly when it reaches the numbers it did under the Biden administration.
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- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  > maybe we should focus on other ways of dealing with wealth inequality (improving productivity, education so our kids can compete on the world stage when they grow up, etc...)? Yes we should. And when politicians are gonna fix those issues first, then people's opinion on importing more competing labor will change. Until then, they'll vote to tilt the supply-demand balance in their favor, as per democratic process because the business class is also doing the opposite so you have a conflict of interest you need to fix. People not seeing the argument of this side of the isle, are in a bubble who have never had to compete in a zero sum environment against people who will do anything for money, and love writing cheques that other people have to cash. Which is why you're seeing the backlash from this at elections. If you want people to agree with you politically, you have to take care of their grievances first, before you take care of imported people form abroad and business owners. >it doesn't work now that the immigrants are no longer primarily white? Nowhere was the skin color part of the argument till you brought that up witch says everything about you and why I'm exiting the convo here.

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_mlbt 1y ago
The issue isn’t race. Typical Americans would be just as against illegal immigration if it were white Europeans flooding into our country. The uncomfortable reality is that illegal immigration is a net negative for society, particularly when it reaches the numbers it did under the Biden administration.
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FirmwareBurner 1y ago
> maybe we should focus on other ways of dealing with wealth inequality (improving productivity, education so our kids can compete on the world stage when they grow up, etc...)? Yes we should. And when politicians are gonna fix those issues first, then people's opinion on importing more competing labor will change. Until then, they'll vote to tilt the supply-demand balance in their favor, as per democratic process because the business class is also doing the opposite so you have a conflict of interest you need to fix. People not seeing the argument of this side of the isle, are in a bubble who have never had to compete in a zero sum environment against people who will do anything for money, and love writing cheques that other people have to cash. Which is why you're seeing the backlash from this at elections. If you want people to agree with you politically, you have to take care of their grievances first, before you take care of imported people form abroad and business owners. >it doesn't work now that the immigrants are no longer primarily white? Nowhere was the skin color part of the argument till you brought that up witch says everything about you and why I'm exiting the convo here.