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wonder if you can bring a tent inside and camp

by ge96 1y ago

petcat 1y ago
I understand it's tongue-in-cheek, but you're actually describing a real problem Starbucks and other casual-style restaurants (McDonalds) have in Seattle. The downtown business districts are almost completely overrun by homelessness and many places in the area have stopped offering seating and only offer counter pick-up and standing tables/rails.
dismalaf 1y ago
Homeless people do it all the time in certain cities. And because judges won't jail them for crimes police have stopped trying.
- codedokode 1y ago
  Interesting. Can a tourist set up a tent in New York City in order to not pay ridiculous hotel fees or this is allowed only to citizens?
  - xkcd1963 1y ago
    In Switzerland you can rent a tent on a balcony on airbnb
  - bombcar 1y ago
    If you have anything to lose you can’t be homeless (or they’ll take it from you first). Once you’re judgement proof do whatever you want.
    - red-iron-pine 1y ago
      judgement proof isn't freedom, it just means they can't chase you for liens. you get your shit back together you're gonna feel that misery real fast when they start garnishing wages.
      - bombcar 1y ago
        That’s the whole point - there’s an entire class of punishments that only work for people who are “playing by the rules” (e.g., have a job as a productive member of society).
- pm90 1y ago
  How will jailing them help? Now the public is on the hook for them. Plus, more jails will be needed if you wanna move all the unhoused in there. Maybe its easier just to build more housing.
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    They're not the kind of people that can afford housing nor the kind that are able to get a rental contract in the first place. And if they had money they'd just shoot up more. Not trying to diss them but that's just reality. There's very few people homeless because they can't afford it even despite the insane rent prices. Usually it's a ton of untreated mental issues and/or drug addiction. Building more houses will help regular people a ton but not the homeless. More shelters will. Good and affordable mental healthcare too. But that's "communism" so I guess that won't fly in MAGA America.
    - matthewdgreen 1y ago
      There have been a bunch of recent studies of this and yes, providing housing seems to dramatically reduce homelessness. https://endhomelessness.org/resources/sharable-graphics/data-visualization-the-evidence-on-housing-first/ https://endhomelessness.org/resources/sharable-graphics/data...
      - wkat4242 1y ago
        Like the other person said the welfare system is apparently that bad in the US. But in Europe I've mainly seen people with mental/drug issues and those from fringe groups like gypsies. There have been plenty of projects involving giving them housing for free, but it never works. The neighborhood quickly becomes a no-go area with constant police presence. They sell all the inventory for drugs, flats become dirty and infested etc. There's a reason these people are homeless and that has to be solved first. But if regular people are homeless then the system is really failing them on basic welfare :(
    - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
      From the data I have seen you are incorrect. Certainly the most visible and disruptive of the homeless are the meth heads and folks with serious mental health problems, but a large chunk are people who simply can't afford a place to live. Los of people living out of their cars out there.
- lucyjojo 1y ago
  how prevalent. is hate on homeless people in the usa?

wonder if you can bring a tent inside and camp

by ge96 1y ago

wonder if you can bring a tent inside and camp

I understand it's tongue-in-cheek, but you're actually describing a real problem Starbucks and other casual-style restaurants (McDonalds) have in Seattle. The downtown business districts are almost completely overrun by homelessness and many places in the area have stopped offering seating and only offer counter pick-up and standing tables/rails.

dismalaf 1y ago

Homeless people do it all the time in certain cities. And because judges won't jail them for crimes police have stopped trying.

codedokode 1y ago
Interesting. Can a tourist set up a tent in New York City in order to not pay ridiculous hotel fees or this is allowed only to citizens?
- xkcd1963 1y ago
  In Switzerland you can rent a tent on a balcony on airbnb
- bombcar 1y ago
  If you have anything to lose you can’t be homeless (or they’ll take it from you first). Once you’re judgement proof do whatever you want.
  - red-iron-pine 1y ago
    judgement proof isn't freedom, it just means they can't chase you for liens. you get your shit back together you're gonna feel that misery real fast when they start garnishing wages.
    - bombcar 1y ago
      That’s the whole point - there’s an entire class of punishments that only work for people who are “playing by the rules” (e.g., have a job as a productive member of society).
pm90 1y ago
How will jailing them help? Now the public is on the hook for them. Plus, more jails will be needed if you wanna move all the unhoused in there. Maybe its easier just to build more housing.
- wkat4242 1y ago
  They're not the kind of people that can afford housing nor the kind that are able to get a rental contract in the first place. And if they had money they'd just shoot up more. Not trying to diss them but that's just reality. There's very few people homeless because they can't afford it even despite the insane rent prices. Usually it's a ton of untreated mental issues and/or drug addiction. Building more houses will help regular people a ton but not the homeless. More shelters will. Good and affordable mental healthcare too. But that's "communism" so I guess that won't fly in MAGA America.
  - matthewdgreen 1y ago
    There have been a bunch of recent studies of this and yes, providing housing seems to dramatically reduce homelessness. https://endhomelessness.org/resources/sharable-graphics/data-visualization-the-evidence-on-housing-first/ https://endhomelessness.org/resources/sharable-graphics/data...
    - wkat4242 1y ago
      Like the other person said the welfare system is apparently that bad in the US. But in Europe I've mainly seen people with mental/drug issues and those from fringe groups like gypsies. There have been plenty of projects involving giving them housing for free, but it never works. The neighborhood quickly becomes a no-go area with constant police presence. They sell all the inventory for drugs, flats become dirty and infested etc. There's a reason these people are homeless and that has to be solved first. But if regular people are homeless then the system is really failing them on basic welfare :(
  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
    From the data I have seen you are incorrect. Certainly the most visible and disruptive of the homeless are the meth heads and folks with serious mental health problems, but a large chunk are people who simply can't afford a place to live. Los of people living out of their cars out there.
lucyjojo 1y ago
how prevalent. is hate on homeless people in the usa?