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> They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. As did Ubuntu. >I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks

by tw04 1y ago

> They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. As did Ubuntu. >I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. Huh? The same google caught tracking your every move even if you opted out? The Google that seems to serve ads based on your conversations if anyone in the room has an Android phone? The Google that actively tries to kill any and all ad blockers? They aren’t even close…

rikafurude21 1y ago
Windows normalized having ads in the OS.
- pseudosavant 1y ago
  Ads in the OS? That isn’t Microsoft’s idea, or even Apple’s (they have places they do it too). No, that was popularized by the mobile OS made by an ad company, Android.
  - free652 1y ago
    Weirdly that I don't get any ads in Android.... My phone was made by the same ad company.
    - LtWorf 1y ago
      No? Try installing 1 app without seeing ads for 10 other useless apps.
      - free652 1y ago
        Haven't installed an app in ages, but seeing an ad in a store isn't as bad as seeing an ad in my app launcher. And yes, windows puts ads in the start menu.
        LtWorf 1y ago
        The store is part of the OS… if you say "no ads" and just exclude ads… that's kinda on you.
        fc417fc802 1y ago
        I mean yes, technically, but really no that's clearly not what was being objected to. Finding adds in arbitrary interfaces seems dystopian to me. Whereas having a discreet "suggested" or "promoted" tab or bracket for software in the app store - the place I go to get software - doesn't bother me. There are certainly ways they could screw it up but they don't seem to have done so yet. Also as it happens I don't even see those because I exclusively use FDroid at this point. So ironically I see no ads when using a device designed and sold by an advertising company and haven't for years.
        Sharlin 1y ago
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        rpdillon 1y ago
        I install apps all the time without seeing an ad, because 90% of the apps I use are installed from F-Droid. The apps I install from F-Droid often help me block ads in my browser, so I see very few ads as I use my phone day to day. Meanwhile, my understanding is that Apple's App Store has ads in it, but that's the only app store allowed. So it seems like maybe iOS is the one that "has ads in the operating system".
        LtWorf 1y ago
        fdroid is not part of android.
        rpdillon 1y ago
        Right. But the query was whether I can install an app on Android without seeing ads. I can. > Try installing 1 app without seeing ads for 10 other useless apps.
      - pawelduda 1y ago
        Seeing ads/recommendations in app store is miles better than finding out your fresh Windows comes with Candy Crush Saga preinstalled.
        shawn_w 1y ago
        As a recovering Candy Crush addict, that's the last thing I need.
      - freeopinion 1y ago
        Samsung installs a bunch of 3rd-party game apps with every system update. At least they tell you they did and offer to tell you which apps they added. Samsung doesn't build the OS, but they control it on your device.
        LtWorf 1y ago
        On old devices samsung just adds an overlay with ads. I've had to factory reset and keep them not updated.
        HKH2 1y ago
        Is it a regional thing? I've never seen that happen.
- tw04 1y ago
  Ubuntu had ads in the terminal in 2022: https://linuxiac.com/ubuntu-once-again-angered-users-by-placing-ads/ https://linuxiac.com/ubuntu-once-again-angered-users-by-plac... Unless you're going to call letting users know they have access to onedrive for free an "ad", Microsoft didn't do anything until Windows 11 in 2024. https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-pushes-start-menu-ads-to-windows-11-users https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-pushes-start-menu-ads-t...
  - soraminazuki 1y ago
    Windows 10 is still too fresh in people's mind to gaslight people into thinking there were no ads in it. 2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20121004004109/http://community.advertising.microsoft.com/msa/en/global/b/blog/archive/2012/10/01/windows-8-ads-in-apps-concepts-agency-partners-advertising-week-2012.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20121004004109/http://community.... 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151015182852/http://betanews.com/2015/10/15/microsoft-now-uses-windows-10s-start-menu-to-display-ads/ https://web.archive.org/web/20151015182852/http://betanews.c... 2015: https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-solitaire-requires-a-subscription-to-remove-ads/ https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-solitaire-requires-a-subs... 2016: https://www.howtogeek.com/243263/how-to-disable-ads-on-your-windows-10-lock-screen/ https://www.howtogeek.com/243263/how-to-disable-ads-on-your-... 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160602204008/http://iskandar.ml/2016/03/11/microsoft-pushes-ads-for-windows-10-in-a-security-update/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160602204008/http://iskandar.m... 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20250721092516/https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer https://web.archive.org/web/20250721092516/https://www.theve... 2018: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/192251/microsoft-is-adding-ads-to-the-mail-app-in-windows-10 https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/192251/microsoft... 2020: https://winaero.com/wordpad-is-gettings-ads-in-windows-10/ https://winaero.com/wordpad-is-gettings-ads-in-windows-10/
  - michaelmrose 1y ago
    Ubuntu was basically promoting a free benefit to home users. This doesn't seem unreasonable.
account42 1y ago
Ubuntu lost the spot as the default recommendation to newbies since then. Ads weren't the only reason for that but they are hardly a good excuse for Microsoft's behavior.

by tw04 1y ago

rikafurude21 1y ago

Windows normalized having ads in the OS.

pseudosavant 1y ago
Ads in the OS? That isn’t Microsoft’s idea, or even Apple’s (they have places they do it too). No, that was popularized by the mobile OS made by an ad company, Android.
- free652 1y ago
  Weirdly that I don't get any ads in Android.... My phone was made by the same ad company.
  - LtWorf 1y ago
    No? Try installing 1 app without seeing ads for 10 other useless apps.
    - free652 1y ago
      Haven't installed an app in ages, but seeing an ad in a store isn't as bad as seeing an ad in my app launcher. And yes, windows puts ads in the start menu.
      - LtWorf 1y ago
        The store is part of the OS… if you say "no ads" and just exclude ads… that's kinda on you.
        fc417fc802 1y ago
        I mean yes, technically, but really no that's clearly not what was being objected to. Finding adds in arbitrary interfaces seems dystopian to me. Whereas having a discreet "suggested" or "promoted" tab or bracket for software in the app store - the place I go to get software - doesn't bother me. There are certainly ways they could screw it up but they don't seem to have done so yet. Also as it happens I don't even see those because I exclusively use FDroid at this point. So ironically I see no ads when using a device designed and sold by an advertising company and haven't for years.
        Sharlin 1y ago
        [dead]
        rpdillon 1y ago
        I install apps all the time without seeing an ad, because 90% of the apps I use are installed from F-Droid. The apps I install from F-Droid often help me block ads in my browser, so I see very few ads as I use my phone day to day. Meanwhile, my understanding is that Apple's App Store has ads in it, but that's the only app store allowed. So it seems like maybe iOS is the one that "has ads in the operating system".
        LtWorf 1y ago
        fdroid is not part of android.
        rpdillon 1y ago
        Right. But the query was whether I can install an app on Android without seeing ads. I can. > Try installing 1 app without seeing ads for 10 other useless apps.
    - pawelduda 1y ago
      Seeing ads/recommendations in app store is miles better than finding out your fresh Windows comes with Candy Crush Saga preinstalled.
      - shawn_w 1y ago
        As a recovering Candy Crush addict, that's the last thing I need.
    - freeopinion 1y ago
      Samsung installs a bunch of 3rd-party game apps with every system update. At least they tell you they did and offer to tell you which apps they added. Samsung doesn't build the OS, but they control it on your device.
      - LtWorf 1y ago
        On old devices samsung just adds an overlay with ads. I've had to factory reset and keep them not updated.
      - HKH2 1y ago
        Is it a regional thing? I've never seen that happen.
tw04 1y ago
Ubuntu had ads in the terminal in 2022: https://linuxiac.com/ubuntu-once-again-angered-users-by-placing-ads/ https://linuxiac.com/ubuntu-once-again-angered-users-by-plac... Unless you're going to call letting users know they have access to onedrive for free an "ad", Microsoft didn't do anything until Windows 11 in 2024. https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-pushes-start-menu-ads-to-windows-11-users https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-pushes-start-menu-ads-t...
- soraminazuki 1y ago
  Windows 10 is still too fresh in people's mind to gaslight people into thinking there were no ads in it. 2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20121004004109/http://community.advertising.microsoft.com/msa/en/global/b/blog/archive/2012/10/01/windows-8-ads-in-apps-concepts-agency-partners-advertising-week-2012.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20121004004109/http://community.... 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151015182852/http://betanews.com/2015/10/15/microsoft-now-uses-windows-10s-start-menu-to-display-ads/ https://web.archive.org/web/20151015182852/http://betanews.c... 2015: https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-solitaire-requires-a-subscription-to-remove-ads/ https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-solitaire-requires-a-subs... 2016: https://www.howtogeek.com/243263/how-to-disable-ads-on-your-windows-10-lock-screen/ https://www.howtogeek.com/243263/how-to-disable-ads-on-your-... 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160602204008/http://iskandar.ml/2016/03/11/microsoft-pushes-ads-for-windows-10-in-a-security-update/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160602204008/http://iskandar.m... 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20250721092516/https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer https://web.archive.org/web/20250721092516/https://www.theve... 2018: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/192251/microsoft-is-adding-ads-to-the-mail-app-in-windows-10 https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/192251/microsoft... 2020: https://winaero.com/wordpad-is-gettings-ads-in-windows-10/ https://winaero.com/wordpad-is-gettings-ads-in-windows-10/
- michaelmrose 1y ago
  Ubuntu was basically promoting a free benefit to home users. This doesn't seem unreasonable.

account42 1y ago

Ubuntu lost the spot as the default recommendation to newbies since then. Ads weren't the only reason for that but they are hardly a good excuse for Microsoft's behavior.