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It's flagged for the same reason that posts describing the genocide Israel is doing in Palestine get flagged: the absolute intolerance of those in power to any

by ath3nd 1y ago

It's flagged for the same reason that posts describing the genocide Israel is doing in Palestine get flagged: the absolute intolerance of those in power to any dissenting opinions.

camgunz 1y ago
I spend a fair amount of time flagging stuff in those threads that's outright anti-Semitic or propaganda, and if that goes on too long I just flag the whole post and move on. It's one thing to have an in-depth discussion about colonialism, the history of the surrounding Arab states and early Zionism, ongoing Israeli politics, the Jewish diaspora, etc. It's quite another to engage in a fruitless moral oneupsmanship (neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis will wake up suddenly and say "Oh, HN has decided we're to blame; I guess we'll call the whole thing off"), or to reckon not at all with the fact that the destruction of Israel (through boycott, invasion, or minority democratic status) leads to the murder of horrifying numbers of Israeli Jews. As with pretty much all war I'm disgusted by what Israel is doing. I don't see that as a reason to drum up anti-semitism or casually imply the destruction of Israel and the attendant murder of millions of people would be a net good. So, that's why I flag that stuff. I also think it's pretty absurd to think that HN censors opinions. I and others constantly criticize SV bigwigs like Marc Andreessen (can somebody ask ChatGPT how many goddamn 'e's are in his name, Jesus Christ) and Paul Graham, lots of tech-skeptic stuff gets posted here and makes it to the front page.
- ath3nd 1y ago
  I am sorry you experience antisemitism, this bs should have disappeared long long long ago. > As with pretty much all war I'm disgusted by what Israel is doing We are too! The same way we decried the despicable genocidal actions Germany did on the Jewish population during WW2, we now decry the despicable genocidal actions of the state of Israel on the population of Palestine. > (neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis will wake up suddenly and say "Oh, HN has decided we're to blame; I guess we'll call the whole thing off" Only one side is actually doing genocide at the moment, and that's Israel. Israel should stop the genocide and either engage in a war without war crimes, or better yet, stop annexing foreign territories and stop the war altogether. I appreciate your "there are two sides to every conflict" point, but there is only one side currently shooting at civilians at aid sites, stopping food from reaching the civilian population, and killing journalists.
  - HDThoreaun 1y ago
    > stop annexing foreign territories Gaza is not a foreign territory. It is part of israel. Israel won it over the course of a series of wars that they won in the last century. Almost all of which were not started by the israelis. If the gazans wanted sovereignty they shouldnt have started and lost so many wars. Losing has consequences. > there is only one side currently shooting at civilians The only reason the gazans are not doing this is because they are utterly incompetent, they cant. I dont see how that gives them the moral high ground. As soon as they gain the ability to shoot israeli civilians they will begin to do so again. Both sides are led by truly despicable governments, no one has any amount of moral high ground in this conflict imo.
    - text0404 1y ago
      > The only reason the gazans are not doing this is because they are utterly incompetent, they cant. I dont see how that gives them the moral high ground. As soon as they gain the ability to shoot israeli civilians they will begin to do so again. using dehumanizing/racist language as a defense for war crimes unfortunately doesn't fly at The Hague.
      - HDThoreaun 1y ago
        Not racist to point out the government in gaza has over and over and over and over and over and over again shown they will never stop until israel no longer exists. The israelis are lucky Hamas is so incompetent, oct. 7th couldve been much worse. The hague is a joke unfortunately, otherwise Hamas wouldve been dismantled long ago.
        text0404 1y ago
        that's interesting because the government of israel has over and over and over and over and over and over again shown they will never stop until palestinians no longer exist. and that's the same justification they use! you should ask Israelis if they feel like Oct 7 was a display of incompetence.
tomhow 1y ago
We've had multiple threads about Gaza that have spent many hours on the front page in recent months, including two about two weeks ago. It's not viable for us to give front page time to every major development in that terrible situation, but we also think it's important for HN to not act as if it's not happening.

by ath3nd 1y ago

It's flagged for the same reason that posts describing the genocide Israel is doing in Palestine get flagged: the absolute intolerance of those in power to any dissenting opinions.

camgunz 1y ago

I spend a fair amount of time flagging stuff in those threads that's outright anti-Semitic or propaganda, and if that goes on too long I just flag the whole post and move on. It's one thing to have an in-depth discussion about colonialism, the history of the surrounding Arab states and early Zionism, ongoing Israeli politics, the Jewish diaspora, etc. It's quite another to engage in a fruitless moral oneupsmanship (neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis will wake up suddenly and say "Oh, HN has decided we're to blame; I guess we'll call the whole thing off"), or to reckon not at all with the fact that the destruction of Israel (through boycott, invasion, or minority democratic status) leads to the murder of horrifying numbers of Israeli Jews. As with pretty much all war I'm disgusted by what Israel is doing. I don't see that as a reason to drum up anti-semitism or casually imply the destruction of Israel and the attendant murder of millions of people would be a net good. So, that's why I flag that stuff. I also think it's pretty absurd to think that HN censors opinions. I and others constantly criticize SV bigwigs like Marc Andreessen (can somebody ask ChatGPT how many goddamn 'e's are in his name, Jesus Christ) and Paul Graham, lots of tech-skeptic stuff gets posted here and makes it to the front page.

ath3nd 1y ago
I am sorry you experience antisemitism, this bs should have disappeared long long long ago. > As with pretty much all war I'm disgusted by what Israel is doing We are too! The same way we decried the despicable genocidal actions Germany did on the Jewish population during WW2, we now decry the despicable genocidal actions of the state of Israel on the population of Palestine. > (neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis will wake up suddenly and say "Oh, HN has decided we're to blame; I guess we'll call the whole thing off" Only one side is actually doing genocide at the moment, and that's Israel. Israel should stop the genocide and either engage in a war without war crimes, or better yet, stop annexing foreign territories and stop the war altogether. I appreciate your "there are two sides to every conflict" point, but there is only one side currently shooting at civilians at aid sites, stopping food from reaching the civilian population, and killing journalists.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago
  > stop annexing foreign territories Gaza is not a foreign territory. It is part of israel. Israel won it over the course of a series of wars that they won in the last century. Almost all of which were not started by the israelis. If the gazans wanted sovereignty they shouldnt have started and lost so many wars. Losing has consequences. > there is only one side currently shooting at civilians The only reason the gazans are not doing this is because they are utterly incompetent, they cant. I dont see how that gives them the moral high ground. As soon as they gain the ability to shoot israeli civilians they will begin to do so again. Both sides are led by truly despicable governments, no one has any amount of moral high ground in this conflict imo.
  - text0404 1y ago
    > The only reason the gazans are not doing this is because they are utterly incompetent, they cant. I dont see how that gives them the moral high ground. As soon as they gain the ability to shoot israeli civilians they will begin to do so again. using dehumanizing/racist language as a defense for war crimes unfortunately doesn't fly at The Hague.
    - HDThoreaun 1y ago
      Not racist to point out the government in gaza has over and over and over and over and over and over again shown they will never stop until israel no longer exists. The israelis are lucky Hamas is so incompetent, oct. 7th couldve been much worse. The hague is a joke unfortunately, otherwise Hamas wouldve been dismantled long ago.
      - text0404 1y ago
        that's interesting because the government of israel has over and over and over and over and over and over again shown they will never stop until palestinians no longer exist. and that's the same justification they use! you should ask Israelis if they feel like Oct 7 was a display of incompetence.

tomhow 1y ago

We've had multiple threads about Gaza that have spent many hours on the front page in recent months, including two about two weeks ago. It's not viable for us to give front page time to every major development in that terrible situation, but we also think it's important for HN to not act as if it's not happening.