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The difference is that nobody chooses Apple explicitly for their glass. They choose them because they provide a bleeding edge experience without the effort one

The difference is that nobody chooses Apple explicitly for their glass. They choose them because they provide a bleeding edge experience without the effort one would need to maintain something like a Linux install, Google now beats them to the punch on several parts of this with their AI approach, especially on-device.

russelldjimmy 1y ago
One might argue that no one chooses Pixels for Gemini (yet).
acdha 1y ago
People choose Apple devices because they work well and let them do things they want to do (they don’t buy for the Corning name, they buy for durability). Google has a lot of marketing and we follow developments closely here on HN but I have never heard anyone other than nerds who already included Android in their personal identity say that Gemini does anything substantial for them, and they sound exactly like the way their grandfathers sounded having quasi-religious debates about Ford vs. Chevy while everyone else tried to change the subject. That doesn’t mean that Apple shouldn’t be following the space closely but I think it’s a mistake to think that normal people are changing their buying decisions based on any of this yet. One trade off here is that Google is spending a ton of money but as of yet is massively in the red on that investment, which means they’ll stick with their own LLM while Apple is free to switch to whoever the market leader is without a large sunk cost factoring into the decision.
- andrewstuart 1y ago
  Ummm I use Gemini heavily for AI development I have found it to be superb. I am very very far from a google fanboi.
  - acdha 1y ago
    I’m not saying that it’s good or bad, only that the crowd here obsessively following things aren’t representative of how most buyers decide what phone to buy.
- expensive_news 1y ago
  It is interesting seeing the difference in model perception between “normal” people and the Hacker News crowd. My perception is that a huge percentage of the mass market just like OpenAI because they were the first to market and still have the most name recognition. Even my coworker who works in DevOps says “Gemini sucks, Claude sucks” even though he has never once tried either of them and has never looked at a single benchmark comparison.

russelldjimmy 1y ago

One might argue that no one chooses Pixels for Gemini (yet).

acdha 1y ago

People choose Apple devices because they work well and let them do things they want to do (they don’t buy for the Corning name, they buy for durability). Google has a lot of marketing and we follow developments closely here on HN but I have never heard anyone other than nerds who already included Android in their personal identity say that Gemini does anything substantial for them, and they sound exactly like the way their grandfathers sounded having quasi-religious debates about Ford vs. Chevy while everyone else tried to change the subject. That doesn’t mean that Apple shouldn’t be following the space closely but I think it’s a mistake to think that normal people are changing their buying decisions based on any of this yet. One trade off here is that Google is spending a ton of money but as of yet is massively in the red on that investment, which means they’ll stick with their own LLM while Apple is free to switch to whoever the market leader is without a large sunk cost factoring into the decision.

andrewstuart 1y ago
Ummm I use Gemini heavily for AI development I have found it to be superb. I am very very far from a google fanboi.
- acdha 1y ago
  I’m not saying that it’s good or bad, only that the crowd here obsessively following things aren’t representative of how most buyers decide what phone to buy.
expensive_news 1y ago
It is interesting seeing the difference in model perception between “normal” people and the Hacker News crowd. My perception is that a huge percentage of the mass market just like OpenAI because they were the first to market and still have the most name recognition. Even my coworker who works in DevOps says “Gemini sucks, Claude sucks” even though he has never once tried either of them and has never looked at a single benchmark comparison.