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Why is the current level of crime in DC worthy of deploying the National Guard, but January 6 wasn't?

by doom2 1y ago

hopelite 1y ago
[flagged]
- zekrioca 1y ago
  "Only idiots answer a question with another question."
  - conorcleary 1y ago
    null statement
  - fnordlord 1y ago
    As a software engineer, I'm offended. I thought our only two options for answers were "what are you trying to do?" and "why do you want to do that?"
tastyface 1y ago
"For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."
- throw0101c 1y ago
  > "For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law." AFAICT, from Peru's General Óscar Benavides: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides
Auracle 1y ago
Trump pushed to have the National Guard there to keep the peace on January 6th: https://cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trump-s-directives-to-pentagon-leadership-to-keep-january-6-safe-were-deliberately-ignored https://cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trum...
- tastyface 1y ago
  "Pence took lead as Trump initially resisted sending National Guard to Capitol" (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/pence-national-guard https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/pence-national-guard)
gottorf 1y ago
In case this isn't a rhetorical question, the homicide rate in DC is such that it beats out all 50 states by a considerable amount[0]. (The most murderous state, Louisiana, is roughly half as murderous as DC.) There were over 5000 auto thefts reported last year[1] in an area that has about 350k registered cars. Statistically speaking, more than one in a hundred cars were stolen in one year! Similarly, there were roughly 26k cases of property crime reported for an overall rate of property crime victimization of 3-4% of the population. If I lived in DC, my day-to-day life would be affected a whole lot more by this level of disorder than a political event that took place on one day in one building. Of course, you're free to value things differently, but it's an indictment of how much antisocial behavior some Americans are willing to tolerate that people are shocked by the statement that "crime in DC is bad". [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_intenti... [1]: https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime
- bagels 1y ago
  Okay, now do cities. DC is not a state.
  - pixl97 1y ago
    They don't want to do that because they'd have to admit that Marksville LA has about twice the violent crime rate.
    - gottorf 1y ago
      I have no problem admitting that other cities have higher violent crime rates, though I have no particular knowledge of Marksville, LA. I'm not sure why you would suggest that. I would approve of stronger efforts of curbing violent crime in those places, as well. I feel terribly for the innocents who live in those cities, as much as do for those in DC.
  - gottorf 1y ago
    Sure. At a rate of 26.6 homicides per 100k as of the conclusion of 2024, it would belong in the top 10 most murderous cities in the US, and would appear to fall in the top 100 in the world. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There are a handful of other American cities with worse crime, so we should give DC a pass? Constitutionally it belongs to the federal government, which devolved some level of home rule to the local government starting about 50 years ago. The evidence seems clear that local authorities aren't doing the job well.
refurb 1y ago
Oh do I have a story to share with you! https://cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trump-s-directives-to-pentagon-leadership-to-keep-january-6-safe-were-deliberately-ignored https://cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trum...
JohnTHaller 1y ago
Overall crime is down in DC. And they just stripped more funding from the DC govt.

Why is the current level of crime in DC worthy of deploying the National Guard, but January 6 wasn't?

by doom2 1y ago

Why is the current level of crime in DC worthy of deploying the National Guard, but January 6 wasn't?

hopelite 1y ago

[flagged]

zekrioca 1y ago
"Only idiots answer a question with another question."
- conorcleary 1y ago
  null statement
- fnordlord 1y ago
  As a software engineer, I'm offended. I thought our only two options for answers were "what are you trying to do?" and "why do you want to do that?"

tastyface 1y ago

"For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."

throw0101c 1y ago
> "For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law." AFAICT, from Peru's General Óscar Benavides: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides

Auracle 1y ago

Trump pushed to have the National Guard there to keep the peace on January 6th: https://cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trump-s-directives-to-pentagon-leadership-to-keep-january-6-safe-were-deliberately-ignored https://cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trum...

tastyface 1y ago
"Pence took lead as Trump initially resisted sending National Guard to Capitol" (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/pence-national-guard https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/pence-national-guard)

gottorf 1y ago

In case this isn't a rhetorical question, the homicide rate in DC is such that it beats out all 50 states by a considerable amount[0]. (The most murderous state, Louisiana, is roughly half as murderous as DC.) There were over 5000 auto thefts reported last year[1] in an area that has about 350k registered cars. Statistically speaking, more than one in a hundred cars were stolen in one year! Similarly, there were roughly 26k cases of property crime reported for an overall rate of property crime victimization of 3-4% of the population. If I lived in DC, my day-to-day life would be affected a whole lot more by this level of disorder than a political event that took place on one day in one building. Of course, you're free to value things differently, but it's an indictment of how much antisocial behavior some Americans are willing to tolerate that people are shocked by the statement that "crime in DC is bad". [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_intenti... [1]: https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

bagels 1y ago
Okay, now do cities. DC is not a state.
- pixl97 1y ago
  They don't want to do that because they'd have to admit that Marksville LA has about twice the violent crime rate.
  - gottorf 1y ago
    I have no problem admitting that other cities have higher violent crime rates, though I have no particular knowledge of Marksville, LA. I'm not sure why you would suggest that. I would approve of stronger efforts of curbing violent crime in those places, as well. I feel terribly for the innocents who live in those cities, as much as do for those in DC.
- gottorf 1y ago
  Sure. At a rate of 26.6 homicides per 100k as of the conclusion of 2024, it would belong in the top 10 most murderous cities in the US, and would appear to fall in the top 100 in the world. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There are a handful of other American cities with worse crime, so we should give DC a pass? Constitutionally it belongs to the federal government, which devolved some level of home rule to the local government starting about 50 years ago. The evidence seems clear that local authorities aren't doing the job well.

refurb 1y ago

Oh do I have a story to share with you! https://cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trump-s-directives-to-pentagon-leadership-to-keep-january-6-safe-were-deliberately-ignored https://cha.house.gov/2024/9/transcripts-show-president-trum...

JohnTHaller 1y ago

Overall crime is down in DC. And they just stripped more funding from the DC govt.