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The correct time for major service providers to shift their weight and start pulling out of any jurisdiction necessary to get their point across has already com

by jchw 1y ago

The correct time for major service providers to shift their weight and start pulling out of any jurisdiction necessary to get their point across has already come and gone. The second best time would be as soon as possible. Unfortunately, the Internet world we live in today isn't the one I grew up in, so I'm sure things will just go according to plan. Apparently a majority of Britons polled support these rules, even though a (smaller) majority of Britons also believe they are ineffective at their goals[1]. I think that really says a lot about what people really want here, and it would be hard to believe anyone without a serious dent in their head really though this had anything at all to do with protecting children. People will do literally anything to protect children, so as long as it only inconveniences and infringes on the rights of the rest of society. They don't even have to believe it will work. And so maybe we will finally burn the house to roast the pig. [1]: https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-brit...

nonethewiser 1y ago
I think this is actually a better place to draw the line than the EU’s Digital Services Act, for example. It's just the UK. Blacking out service for EU would be a more bitter pill to swallow.
lxe 1y ago
This is how we should have stopped the cookie banners
- donkeybeer 1y ago
  Its easy to solve cookie banners, its not the laws fault websites are fucking incompetent.
  - lxe 1y ago
    But it is the law's fault. Instead of working with some body like IETF and browser contributors to come up with a standard, they just butchered the verbiage and expected the website admins to comply in the most unergonomic fashion imaginable.
    - donkeybeer 1y ago
      It didn't expect shit. Why can almost zero budget websites like Debian and Freebsd go without a cookie banner while websites with millions in revenue fail? Its pure fucking incompetence and inferiority. Don't blame the law for websites being abject failures at fundamental skills.
shit_game 1y ago
I remember my mother watching a news segment on TV about the subject of online identity verification several months ago, and she commented that she supported it because "kids shouldn't be looking at these things." I asked her if she believed it's a parents responsibility to parent their children and block childrens' access to unsavory things, or if she felt it might be dangerous to tie a persons legal identity to what they do on the internet, and her face kind of glazed over and she said "no?" The average person is not thinking about the ways in which legislation can be abused, or in how it oversteps its "stated purpose", or how it can lead to unintended consequences. I remember the news segment saying something to the tune of "new legislation aims to prevent children from viewing pornography", which is a deliberately misinformative take on these kinds of legislation. The current political atmosphere of the western world is edging towards technofascism at an alarming rate - correlating online activities to real-world identities (more than they already are via the advertisement death cult (read: industry)) is dangerous. A persons political beliefs, national status, health status, personal associations, interests, activities, etc. are all potential means of persecution. Eventually, the western world will see (more) TLAs knocking on doors and asking for papers and stepping inside homes. They're going to forensically analyse computers belonging to average people (which government agencies are already doing at border checkpoints in the US) to weed out political dissidents or people targetted for persecution. Things are going to get exponentially worse for everyone, and nobody is trying to stop it because the average person is uninformed, uninterested, and - worst of all - an absolute fucking idiot.
- alt227 1y ago
  Exactly, this is why the 'think of the children' argument always wins when it comes to democracy. People who do not have the knowledge are easy to scare.

by jchw 1y ago

nonethewiser 1y ago

I think this is actually a better place to draw the line than the EU’s Digital Services Act, for example. It's just the UK. Blacking out service for EU would be a more bitter pill to swallow.

lxe 1y ago

This is how we should have stopped the cookie banners

donkeybeer 1y ago
Its easy to solve cookie banners, its not the laws fault websites are fucking incompetent.
- lxe 1y ago
  But it is the law's fault. Instead of working with some body like IETF and browser contributors to come up with a standard, they just butchered the verbiage and expected the website admins to comply in the most unergonomic fashion imaginable.
  - donkeybeer 1y ago
    It didn't expect shit. Why can almost zero budget websites like Debian and Freebsd go without a cookie banner while websites with millions in revenue fail? Its pure fucking incompetence and inferiority. Don't blame the law for websites being abject failures at fundamental skills.

shit_game 1y ago

I remember my mother watching a news segment on TV about the subject of online identity verification several months ago, and she commented that she supported it because "kids shouldn't be looking at these things." I asked her if she believed it's a parents responsibility to parent their children and block childrens' access to unsavory things, or if she felt it might be dangerous to tie a persons legal identity to what they do on the internet, and her face kind of glazed over and she said "no?" The average person is not thinking about the ways in which legislation can be abused, or in how it oversteps its "stated purpose", or how it can lead to unintended consequences. I remember the news segment saying something to the tune of "new legislation aims to prevent children from viewing pornography", which is a deliberately misinformative take on these kinds of legislation. The current political atmosphere of the western world is edging towards technofascism at an alarming rate - correlating online activities to real-world identities (more than they already are via the advertisement death cult (read: industry)) is dangerous. A persons political beliefs, national status, health status, personal associations, interests, activities, etc. are all potential means of persecution. Eventually, the western world will see (more) TLAs knocking on doors and asking for papers and stepping inside homes. They're going to forensically analyse computers belonging to average people (which government agencies are already doing at border checkpoints in the US) to weed out political dissidents or people targetted for persecution. Things are going to get exponentially worse for everyone, and nobody is trying to stop it because the average person is uninformed, uninterested, and - worst of all - an absolute fucking idiot.

alt227 1y ago
Exactly, this is why the 'think of the children' argument always wins when it comes to democracy. People who do not have the knowledge are easy to scare.