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Are you saying everyone who isn't barely starting their career is a genius? In the current state of things I'd gladly take mediocre work from a human over slop

Are you saying everyone who isn't barely starting their career is a genius? In the current state of things I'd gladly take mediocre work from a human over slop from an AI.

hoherd 1y ago
Seriously this. Doing code reviews on LLM created code is so frustrating. If the code was submitted by a junior engineer I could get on zoom with them and educate them, which would make them a better team mate, advance their career goals, and make the world slightly better. With AI created code the review process is a series of tiny struggles to dig up out of the hole the LLM created and get back to baseline code quality, and it'll probably be the same Sisyphean struggle with the next PR.
- antisol 1y ago
  Ha! Not just "the next PR", in my experience about 30% of the time you tell it "hey this slop you gave me is horribly broken because <reason>", and it says "you're absolutely right! I totally 100% understand the problem now, and I'll totally 100% fix that for you right now!", and then proceeds to deliver exactly the same broken slop it game me before.
  - jimbokun 1y ago
    Interesting, isn’t it? It knows that the apologetic tone and acknowledging understanding of your critique is the most probable response for it to generate. But that’s very different from actually understanding how it should change the code.
- ath3nd 1y ago
  There is a reason why maintainers of OSS tools reject AI slop PRs: https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/15/curl_creator_mulls_nixing_bug/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/15/curl_creator_mulls_ni...
- soraminazuki 1y ago
  I had to review code that couldn't even do a straightforward map, filter, and reduce properly. But with management pushing hard for AI use, I feel powerless to push back against it.
revskill 1y ago
You have prompt skill issue.
- ath3nd 1y ago
  The only study currently trying to measure productivity of experienced devs using LLMs showed they suffer a 19% decline in productivity. https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/ https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o... Since that study demonstrated that experienced developers currently suffer a decline in their productivity when using LLMs, it's perfectly likely that less experienced/junior developers who normally will struggle with syntax or simple tasks like organizing their code are the ones experiencing the boost of productivity from LLMs. Thus, it seems the devs benefitting the most from LLMs are the ones with the skill issue/more junior/early in their career. Which group do you belong to?
  - revskill 1y ago
    No, it's just logical, LLM is a useful tool, those experienced are just code monkeys that whey they got stuck.
    - ath3nd 1y ago
      > No, it's just logical, LLM is a useful tool How open are you to the possibility that it's the other way around? Because the study suggests that it's actually junior code monkeys that benefit from LLMs, and experienced software engineers don't instead get a decline of their productivity. At least that's what the only available study so far shows. That's corroborated with my experience mentoring juniors, the more they struggle with basic things like syntax or expressing their thoughts clearly in code, the more benefit they got from using LLM tools like Claude. Once they go mid-level and above, the LLMs are a detriment to them. Do you currently get big benefit from LLMs? Maybe you are more early in your career?
      - revskill 1y ago
        Those "experienced" actually are just senior code monkeys if u ask me, it's trivial right ? I don't assume the reason why, but it's just illogical for a junior to get benefits and the seniors don't. The wrong ones here is the "experienced". I know how to use the AI tools for my purpose (that's why i use them), and of course, to make the impossible possible. Even if i failed to do so, it's not the decrease in productivity because without them, i don't think i can do better than the LLM.

Are you saying everyone who isn't barely starting their career is a genius? In the current state of things I'd gladly take mediocre work from a human over slop from an AI.

hoherd 1y ago

Seriously this. Doing code reviews on LLM created code is so frustrating. If the code was submitted by a junior engineer I could get on zoom with them and educate them, which would make them a better team mate, advance their career goals, and make the world slightly better. With AI created code the review process is a series of tiny struggles to dig up out of the hole the LLM created and get back to baseline code quality, and it'll probably be the same Sisyphean struggle with the next PR.

antisol 1y ago
Ha! Not just "the next PR", in my experience about 30% of the time you tell it "hey this slop you gave me is horribly broken because <reason>", and it says "you're absolutely right! I totally 100% understand the problem now, and I'll totally 100% fix that for you right now!", and then proceeds to deliver exactly the same broken slop it game me before.
- jimbokun 1y ago
  Interesting, isn’t it? It knows that the apologetic tone and acknowledging understanding of your critique is the most probable response for it to generate. But that’s very different from actually understanding how it should change the code.
ath3nd 1y ago
There is a reason why maintainers of OSS tools reject AI slop PRs: https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/15/curl_creator_mulls_nixing_bug/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/15/curl_creator_mulls_ni...
soraminazuki 1y ago
I had to review code that couldn't even do a straightforward map, filter, and reduce properly. But with management pushing hard for AI use, I feel powerless to push back against it.

revskill 1y ago

You have prompt skill issue.

ath3nd 1y ago
The only study currently trying to measure productivity of experienced devs using LLMs showed they suffer a 19% decline in productivity. https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/ https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o... Since that study demonstrated that experienced developers currently suffer a decline in their productivity when using LLMs, it's perfectly likely that less experienced/junior developers who normally will struggle with syntax or simple tasks like organizing their code are the ones experiencing the boost of productivity from LLMs. Thus, it seems the devs benefitting the most from LLMs are the ones with the skill issue/more junior/early in their career. Which group do you belong to?
- revskill 1y ago
  No, it's just logical, LLM is a useful tool, those experienced are just code monkeys that whey they got stuck.
  - ath3nd 1y ago
    > No, it's just logical, LLM is a useful tool How open are you to the possibility that it's the other way around? Because the study suggests that it's actually junior code monkeys that benefit from LLMs, and experienced software engineers don't instead get a decline of their productivity. At least that's what the only available study so far shows. That's corroborated with my experience mentoring juniors, the more they struggle with basic things like syntax or expressing their thoughts clearly in code, the more benefit they got from using LLM tools like Claude. Once they go mid-level and above, the LLMs are a detriment to them. Do you currently get big benefit from LLMs? Maybe you are more early in your career?
    - revskill 1y ago
      Those "experienced" actually are just senior code monkeys if u ask me, it's trivial right ? I don't assume the reason why, but it's just illogical for a junior to get benefits and the seniors don't. The wrong ones here is the "experienced". I know how to use the AI tools for my purpose (that's why i use them), and of course, to make the impossible possible. Even if i failed to do so, it's not the decrease in productivity because without them, i don't think i can do better than the LLM.