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So what is the real solution? Meaning the solution that an individual could use themselves, without further coordination, to insulate themselves from this poli

So what is the real solution? Meaning the solution that an individual could use themselves, without further coordination, to insulate themselves from this policy. Is it an Android distribution? Jailbreaking? Custom builds?

betaby 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution probably a solution
- account42 1y ago
  A solution that laws like this will make very much harder to pull off if not impossible.
r33b33 1y ago
Solution is to move or cause resistance obv
_Algernon_ 1y ago
When (rational) people make decisions they weigh the possible rewards of success against the possible costs of failure. We are in a situation where the costs are virtually zero ("oh no, we have to try again in 6 months!") while the rewards are immense: the potential to consolidate even more power to the rich and powerful elite. It shouldn't be surprising that this happens again and again, and they only need to succeed once. Social movements of the past understood this well. They increased the costs to such an extent that they couldn't be ignored. Look at the movements that brought forth societal change in the past and imitate them. I can't think of one that didn't have an "extremist" wing that was willing to target the decision makers were it hurt: economic output (eg. strikes or sabotage) and violence.
vaylian 1y ago
The real solution is to stop the law while it is still being negotiated.
- ncr100 1y ago
  In America our judicial system is sleeping and also overtly supporting anti democratic laws.
- alphazard 1y ago
  If the law was passed, would there still be things you could do to insulate yourself from the effects of the law? If so, that is the real solution, because it works in all cases.
  - vaylian 1y ago
    > would there still be things you could do to insulate yourself from the effects of the law? Encrypt your data locally before it is uploaded to a service that scans your private communication. This is most likely how the child abusers will do it too. And therefore the law will be ineffective at fighting sharing of child abuse material on the internet.
HelloUsername 1y ago
You ask a valid and clear question, sadly no one yet properly responded :( I'll try: using an app that can communicate without ever connecting to the internet? Such as: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id6748584483 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id6748584483
- SchemaLoad 1y ago
  There is LoRaWAN with tech like Meshtastic which can send messages far further than wifi and bluetooth. Problem is the throughput is pretty limited. Only really useful for text messages within the same city. Not sure any purely wireless system would scale that well either since every message floods the entire network. Ideally for wireless you just want wireless to the closest grid connected node to connect to the internet.
- account42 1y ago
  An app, in an official app store no less, is not going to be a solution for long. If you want an actual technical attempt at a solution you first need to regain ownership over your computing devices.
whimsicalism 1y ago
probably worst case side loading tor on android

betaby 1y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution probably a solution

account42 1y ago
A solution that laws like this will make very much harder to pull off if not impossible.

r33b33 1y ago

Solution is to move or cause resistance obv

_Algernon_ 1y ago

When (rational) people make decisions they weigh the possible rewards of success against the possible costs of failure. We are in a situation where the costs are virtually zero ("oh no, we have to try again in 6 months!") while the rewards are immense: the potential to consolidate even more power to the rich and powerful elite. It shouldn't be surprising that this happens again and again, and they only need to succeed once. Social movements of the past understood this well. They increased the costs to such an extent that they couldn't be ignored. Look at the movements that brought forth societal change in the past and imitate them. I can't think of one that didn't have an "extremist" wing that was willing to target the decision makers were it hurt: economic output (eg. strikes or sabotage) and violence.

vaylian 1y ago

The real solution is to stop the law while it is still being negotiated.

ncr100 1y ago
In America our judicial system is sleeping and also overtly supporting anti democratic laws.
alphazard 1y ago
If the law was passed, would there still be things you could do to insulate yourself from the effects of the law? If so, that is the real solution, because it works in all cases.
- vaylian 1y ago
  > would there still be things you could do to insulate yourself from the effects of the law? Encrypt your data locally before it is uploaded to a service that scans your private communication. This is most likely how the child abusers will do it too. And therefore the law will be ineffective at fighting sharing of child abuse material on the internet.

HelloUsername 1y ago

You ask a valid and clear question, sadly no one yet properly responded :( I'll try: using an app that can communicate without ever connecting to the internet? Such as: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id6748584483 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id6748584483

SchemaLoad 1y ago
There is LoRaWAN with tech like Meshtastic which can send messages far further than wifi and bluetooth. Problem is the throughput is pretty limited. Only really useful for text messages within the same city. Not sure any purely wireless system would scale that well either since every message floods the entire network. Ideally for wireless you just want wireless to the closest grid connected node to connect to the internet.
account42 1y ago
An app, in an official app store no less, is not going to be a solution for long. If you want an actual technical attempt at a solution you first need to regain ownership over your computing devices.

whimsicalism 1y ago

probably worst case side loading tor on android