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As you know, Korea has compulsory military service for men, but not for women. This would be a fantastic place for gender equality activists to make their voice

As you know, Korea has compulsory military service for men, but not for women. This would be a fantastic place for gender equality activists to make their voice heard and rally for greater gender equality, it's strange that they seem to be unconcerned with this sort of thing.

lawn 1y ago
South Korea ranks very low globally on women's rights and equality so it's unfortunately not a surprise.
vkou 1y ago
What makes you think that conscription for women isn't being discussed in Korea? 1. Do you have evidence that it isn't? 2. You do realize that Korea is not actually a society with a lot of gender equality (or equality in general, as I'll note in point #4) as-is, right? 3. Which 'gender equality champions' exactly do you expect to be shouting about this so that you will hear about it? Americans and Europeans posting on Reddit and Hacker News? 4. Do you think that the existing problems regarding equality in conscription (with every connected person's sons actively dodging the draft) may be poisoning the well for anyone advocating - or considering advocating - throwing more bodies into that machine?
- notorandit 1y ago
  I didn't argue about conscription for women. Just stated that soldiers may not be men only.
s5300 1y ago
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refulgentis 1y ago
Hmmm...I'm not sure if gender equality advocacy is when you always advocate for complete equality in all things always. There's a side component of the mens right advocacy movement that tries introducing the idea that there's some flaw in woman's rights movements because they're not true gender equality movements: inter alia, famously, lawsuits over ladies nights at bars I think the reason that doesn't carry much attention is because it's intuitive, even without the concept involved, to understand why someone might advocate for equal pay but not for equal conscription. We are but sentient meat.
- pessimizer 1y ago
  > There's a side component of the mens right advocacy movement that tries introducing the idea that there's some flaw in woman's rights movements because they're not true gender equality movements: inter alia, famously, lawsuits over ladies nights at bars It's not just men's rights. There is a massive part of the West who believes that to acknowledge that women are physically different than men is the real sexism. Erasing female as a distinct category entirely is supposed to be the anti-sexist option. Females are just weak men, too lazy to get taller and stronger. Or men are just big, sterile, extremely strong women. Now that I type it, I guess it is a men's rights movement. Turning "woman-hating" into "misogynist" into "sexist" was as men's rights as turning Women's Studies into Gender Studies. edit: always remember that the history of "sexism" is not a history of people hurting people, it's a history of men hurting women. Sexism is a euphemism. The reason only males are required to do military service in Korea is because men decided that's how it should be. If men decided otherwise, it would be changed.
  - jadamson 1y ago
    > There is a massive part of the West who believes that to acknowledge that women are physically different than men is the real sexism. Followed by: > The reason only males are required to do military service in Korea is because men decided that's how it should be. Is a truly staggering juxtaposition. > If men decided otherwise, it would be changed. SK is a democracy with a slight majority women, but of course, feminists and statistics are like oil and water. Always remember that.
    - refulgentis 1y ago
      Idk what either of you are on about, if it makes you feel better. Seems like he's trying to complain...everyone? blue team? women? women and betas? women and lib cucks? women and misled men?...lie and say women are as strong as men and saying otherwise is censored as sexism. You misread it as complaining about people who say there's a difference in mens and womens strength, and start complaining about how this is adjacent to blaming male voters for conscription given woman vote too, and all feminists won't read statistics. Both of you need to grow up, in that, these are silly strawmen and not even wrong, in the Pauli sense. There's nothing to engage with. You're making up obviously false stuff, and you've found a safe way to not have to engage with reality by claiming if you tried, you'd have to deal with all feminists ignoring statistics because all feminists believe men are as strong as women.
Qem 1y ago
> Korea has compulsory military service for men, but not for women If they make it compulsory for women it probably will just crash fertility further. Unless they couple it with the possibility of exemption for mothers.
- notorandit 1y ago
  It could be non-compulsory.

lawn 1y ago

South Korea ranks very low globally on women's rights and equality so it's unfortunately not a surprise.

vkou 1y ago

What makes you think that conscription for women isn't being discussed in Korea? 1. Do you have evidence that it isn't? 2. You do realize that Korea is not actually a society with a lot of gender equality (or equality in general, as I'll note in point #4) as-is, right? 3. Which 'gender equality champions' exactly do you expect to be shouting about this so that you will hear about it? Americans and Europeans posting on Reddit and Hacker News? 4. Do you think that the existing problems regarding equality in conscription (with every connected person's sons actively dodging the draft) may be poisoning the well for anyone advocating - or considering advocating - throwing more bodies into that machine?

notorandit 1y ago
I didn't argue about conscription for women. Just stated that soldiers may not be men only.

s5300 1y ago

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refulgentis 1y ago

Hmmm...I'm not sure if gender equality advocacy is when you always advocate for complete equality in all things always. There's a side component of the mens right advocacy movement that tries introducing the idea that there's some flaw in woman's rights movements because they're not true gender equality movements: inter alia, famously, lawsuits over ladies nights at bars I think the reason that doesn't carry much attention is because it's intuitive, even without the concept involved, to understand why someone might advocate for equal pay but not for equal conscription. We are but sentient meat.

pessimizer 1y ago
> There's a side component of the mens right advocacy movement that tries introducing the idea that there's some flaw in woman's rights movements because they're not true gender equality movements: inter alia, famously, lawsuits over ladies nights at bars It's not just men's rights. There is a massive part of the West who believes that to acknowledge that women are physically different than men is the real sexism. Erasing female as a distinct category entirely is supposed to be the anti-sexist option. Females are just weak men, too lazy to get taller and stronger. Or men are just big, sterile, extremely strong women. Now that I type it, I guess it is a men's rights movement. Turning "woman-hating" into "misogynist" into "sexist" was as men's rights as turning Women's Studies into Gender Studies. edit: always remember that the history of "sexism" is not a history of people hurting people, it's a history of men hurting women. Sexism is a euphemism. The reason only males are required to do military service in Korea is because men decided that's how it should be. If men decided otherwise, it would be changed.
- jadamson 1y ago
  > There is a massive part of the West who believes that to acknowledge that women are physically different than men is the real sexism. Followed by: > The reason only males are required to do military service in Korea is because men decided that's how it should be. Is a truly staggering juxtaposition. > If men decided otherwise, it would be changed. SK is a democracy with a slight majority women, but of course, feminists and statistics are like oil and water. Always remember that.
  - refulgentis 1y ago
    Idk what either of you are on about, if it makes you feel better. Seems like he's trying to complain...everyone? blue team? women? women and betas? women and lib cucks? women and misled men?...lie and say women are as strong as men and saying otherwise is censored as sexism. You misread it as complaining about people who say there's a difference in mens and womens strength, and start complaining about how this is adjacent to blaming male voters for conscription given woman vote too, and all feminists won't read statistics. Both of you need to grow up, in that, these are silly strawmen and not even wrong, in the Pauli sense. There's nothing to engage with. You're making up obviously false stuff, and you've found a safe way to not have to engage with reality by claiming if you tried, you'd have to deal with all feminists ignoring statistics because all feminists believe men are as strong as women.

Qem 1y ago

> Korea has compulsory military service for men, but not for women If they make it compulsory for women it probably will just crash fertility further. Unless they couple it with the possibility of exemption for mothers.

notorandit 1y ago
It could be non-compulsory.