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A 38-year-old Russian crime gang leader arrested in ... Kyiv, Ukraine. "The law enforcement action and resulting confusion about the identity of the detained h

by Hilift 1y ago

A 38-year-old Russian crime gang leader arrested in ... Kyiv, Ukraine. "The law enforcement action and resulting confusion about the identity of the detained has thrown the Russian cybercrime forum scene into disarray in recent weeks" I'm guessing "disarray" means payments not posting? Bonus pool depleted?

hulitu 1y ago
> Russian crime gang leader arrested in ... Kyiv, It's funny how all Ukrainian criminals are Russians. /s
- Etheryte 1y ago
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  - vasachi 1y ago
    Ah yes, because only Russians can be criminals. And also Russians cannot be born in Eastern Europe.
  - anticodon 1y ago
    Can you tell a Russian from Ukrainian? Can you even tell an Ukrainian name from Russian name?
    - hiciu 1y ago
      Wow. Can you tell a Korean person from Chinese person? Polish name from a Czech one? Different cultures, different languages, it's obvious to the locals.
      - anticodon 1y ago
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        perching_aix 1y ago
        Thankfully, people living on the east are completely immune to ethnic stereotypization and propaganda, like you clearly demonstrate. They even get to have their own opinions. Oh the wonders of geography and lineage.
        anticodon 1y ago
        LOL. Have you ever read what Ukrainians said in the last 35 years? Not some pretty recital from CNN, ABC, BBC, DW, but actual words said and written by actual Ukrainians? Or, for that matter, have you ever read Reddit? I'm 100% sure that if I open any subreddit like /r/politics, in the first 10 posts there will be something like "burn all Russians", "we must nuke Russia", "Russian are subhumans and they must be eliminated from Earth". Such phrases are so pervading there that I stopped visiting reddit even for reading technical subreddits. BTW, Reddit moderators never ban users for calling to kill Russians (also, in 2022 Meta openly said it is ok to say such things openly, just to note that nazism is welcome in the West, or to be precise, it never went away and it wasn't an invention of Hitler).
        perching_aix 1y ago
        Yes, people say a lot of dumb and reductive shit everywhere, I've been around. What I'm saying is that while it's entirely reasonable to get upset about it and react accordingly, you also have the option of exercising self-awareness and agency, and not swing the pendulum the other way. Case in point, maybe the most rational action to take after reading something that strikes you as stereotypization is probably not whipping out a stereotype about "westerners" or whatever of your own. Where the dividing line between west and east moves around about as much as the dividing line between balkan and not balkan, of course.
    - kgeist 1y ago
      There's a bunch of phonetical differences: rus. Volk ~ ukr. Vovk rus. Aleksey ~ ukr. Oleksiy Different suffixes: rus. Tarasov ~ ukr. Tarasenko, Tarasiuk Ukrainian surnames often have no suffixes at all (more often than in Russia): rus. Melnikov vs. ukr. Melnyk rus. Kovalev vs. ukr. Koval Although it doesn't say anything about a person's nationality for certain because of migrations.
    - Etheryte 1y ago
      This is akin to asking if someone can tell an German name from a French name. Sure, there are some shared ones, but for most intents and purposes locals can easily tell the two apart.
      - gooosle 1y ago
        It's more like telling a German name from an Austrian name.
        Etheryte 1y ago
        Russia really isn't that similar to the rest of the Eastern Bloc. Even in language, the other Slavic languages are pretty close to one another, whereas Russian is pretty different. Same for culture etc. Russia is trying very hard to create the impression, that it's all the same, in the hopes of eventually occupying neighbors again, but it really isn't.
        gooosle 1y ago
        Russian is a Slavic language and very similar to other Slavic languages especially Ukrainian and Belarusian. Far closer than German and French. I have family across 5 different Slavic countries and hear various Slavic languages regularly. You're just spewing complete bs for political reasons apparently.
        Etheryte 1y ago
        I speak most of the languages you listed on a conversational level, but sure, it's easier to cry about astroturfing than consider that you might be wrong.
        gooosle 1y ago
        Cool story bud.
  - anovikov 1y ago
    Well, in fact part of the reason why they left Russia is to be freer from threat of law enforcement. Ukraine is a more corrupt country and also doing shady things is more socially acceptable there. Don't get me wrong, i am a big supporter of Ukraine including its war efforts (and in fact work full time on Ukrainian defence tech project of my own), but it's a country as close to the popular Western mental image of "Eastern Europe" as it gets. Russia is a more orderly place - it is uncanny, but not chaotic. If you have some bitcoin, you can get away from law enforcement in Ukraine for a lot longer than you can in Russia. And well, the reason of why cybercriminals are so frequently Russians is not that Russians are particularly evil. It's simply because they have the best technical higher education of Eastern Europe. Atheistic, post-Communist cultures of all of those countries, save for Czech Republic maybe, have no backstops against (nonviolent) crime at all. People there won't do cybercrime because they don't have the brains or training to do it, not because they are morally against it or society prevents them from it. It may be difficult to grasp for Americans (even those who don't consider themselves religious), but there are cultures that are completely Godless even on subconscious level. These people do whatever works and whatever they can get away with.
    - komali2 1y ago
      There are old and atheistic cultures that maintain strong value systems that follow similar principles to western ideas of law and "right and wrong." Therefore the assertion that Eastern Europeans being atheistic is the reason they are more open to doing crime is an extraordinary one, and unless you can provide extraordinary evidence, your assertion should be ignored.
      - anovikov 1y ago
        My assertion is that this is mainly because of Communism and the Atheism it brought in. Surely it won't happen because of historical/cultural Atheism e.g. in China. Communism has destroyed the very idea of "society" as we understand it - both due to ideology ("society as a construct put forward by the exploiter classes to keep people in check") - they originally even considered nuclear family to be such institution as well ("family as a cell of exploitation") but quickly realised that destroying the family results in depopulation and lack of muskets to fight the "capitalist pigs" and reverted on that one. For Communists, there is a state and there are people, but no "society" - it is a dangerous thing that can get in the Party's way as a quasi-organised third subject. State keeps people in check and exploits them to meet the Party's goals, people are free to do whatever they can get away with when the Party and the State are looking the other way, morally 100% free to cheat it and each other - hard power is the only thing that can stop them. Now the Party is gone, society has not formed, and the people are set free... Society and God are about the same thing right? Something that keeps people in check without a threat of hard force. Totalitarianism destroys that because it won't tolerate anything getting in it's way.
  - f311a 1y ago
    Do you realize that 90% of Ukrainian names are the same as Russian? Sometimes they just spelled slightly different in Ukrainian language, but on Russian speaking websites Russian version are used. Volodymyr - Vladimir, Anton - Anton (same spelling).
    - Etheryte 1y ago
      This might be true of Ukraine, yet you see this across all of the Eastern Bloc, where the names are not similar, not just Ukraine.
- TacticalCoder 1y ago
  > It's funny how all Ukrainian criminals are Russians. /s I'm in Poland atm : it's funny how all criminals in Poland are Ukrainians /s (fwiw my mom is from Ukrainian roots and has one of those family names ending in "-enko" so chill out guys) Seriously though: lots of car theft here in Poland are cars being stolen and finding their way to Ukraine (and some to Russia).
- Jon_Lowtek 1y ago
  there is a difference between "russian" and "russian speaking" that is quite important to many eastern europeans that do not wish to be part of some kreml lead lingua-nation.
  - draw_down 1y ago
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EdwardDiego 1y ago
> A 38-year-old Russian crime gang leader arrested in ... Kyiv, Ukraine. That tracks. How many Russian cybercriminals can you think of who were arrested in Russia? Hence why a lot of malware checks for your keyboard's language - so the payload doesn't deploy in Russia, which _would_ actually get you arrested. But if you're targeting people outside Russia, you're golden. As for why he's in Kyiv? Maybe his girlfriend is from there. Maybe he prefers Kyiv to Moscow or whichever oblast he's from. Maybe he's hiding from the Russian draft?

by Hilift 1y ago

hulitu 1y ago

> Russian crime gang leader arrested in ... Kyiv, It's funny how all Ukrainian criminals are Russians. /s

Etheryte 1y ago
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- vasachi 1y ago
  Ah yes, because only Russians can be criminals. And also Russians cannot be born in Eastern Europe.
- anticodon 1y ago
  Can you tell a Russian from Ukrainian? Can you even tell an Ukrainian name from Russian name?
  - hiciu 1y ago
    Wow. Can you tell a Korean person from Chinese person? Polish name from a Czech one? Different cultures, different languages, it's obvious to the locals.
    - anticodon 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - perching_aix 1y ago
        Thankfully, people living on the east are completely immune to ethnic stereotypization and propaganda, like you clearly demonstrate. They even get to have their own opinions. Oh the wonders of geography and lineage.
        anticodon 1y ago
        LOL. Have you ever read what Ukrainians said in the last 35 years? Not some pretty recital from CNN, ABC, BBC, DW, but actual words said and written by actual Ukrainians? Or, for that matter, have you ever read Reddit? I'm 100% sure that if I open any subreddit like /r/politics, in the first 10 posts there will be something like "burn all Russians", "we must nuke Russia", "Russian are subhumans and they must be eliminated from Earth". Such phrases are so pervading there that I stopped visiting reddit even for reading technical subreddits. BTW, Reddit moderators never ban users for calling to kill Russians (also, in 2022 Meta openly said it is ok to say such things openly, just to note that nazism is welcome in the West, or to be precise, it never went away and it wasn't an invention of Hitler).
        perching_aix 1y ago
        Yes, people say a lot of dumb and reductive shit everywhere, I've been around. What I'm saying is that while it's entirely reasonable to get upset about it and react accordingly, you also have the option of exercising self-awareness and agency, and not swing the pendulum the other way. Case in point, maybe the most rational action to take after reading something that strikes you as stereotypization is probably not whipping out a stereotype about "westerners" or whatever of your own. Where the dividing line between west and east moves around about as much as the dividing line between balkan and not balkan, of course.
  - kgeist 1y ago
    There's a bunch of phonetical differences: rus. Volk ~ ukr. Vovk rus. Aleksey ~ ukr. Oleksiy Different suffixes: rus. Tarasov ~ ukr. Tarasenko, Tarasiuk Ukrainian surnames often have no suffixes at all (more often than in Russia): rus. Melnikov vs. ukr. Melnyk rus. Kovalev vs. ukr. Koval Although it doesn't say anything about a person's nationality for certain because of migrations.
  - Etheryte 1y ago
    This is akin to asking if someone can tell an German name from a French name. Sure, there are some shared ones, but for most intents and purposes locals can easily tell the two apart.
    - gooosle 1y ago
      It's more like telling a German name from an Austrian name.
      - Etheryte 1y ago
        Russia really isn't that similar to the rest of the Eastern Bloc. Even in language, the other Slavic languages are pretty close to one another, whereas Russian is pretty different. Same for culture etc. Russia is trying very hard to create the impression, that it's all the same, in the hopes of eventually occupying neighbors again, but it really isn't.
        gooosle 1y ago
        Russian is a Slavic language and very similar to other Slavic languages especially Ukrainian and Belarusian. Far closer than German and French. I have family across 5 different Slavic countries and hear various Slavic languages regularly. You're just spewing complete bs for political reasons apparently.
        Etheryte 1y ago
        I speak most of the languages you listed on a conversational level, but sure, it's easier to cry about astroturfing than consider that you might be wrong.
        gooosle 1y ago
        Cool story bud.
- anovikov 1y ago
  Well, in fact part of the reason why they left Russia is to be freer from threat of law enforcement. Ukraine is a more corrupt country and also doing shady things is more socially acceptable there. Don't get me wrong, i am a big supporter of Ukraine including its war efforts (and in fact work full time on Ukrainian defence tech project of my own), but it's a country as close to the popular Western mental image of "Eastern Europe" as it gets. Russia is a more orderly place - it is uncanny, but not chaotic. If you have some bitcoin, you can get away from law enforcement in Ukraine for a lot longer than you can in Russia. And well, the reason of why cybercriminals are so frequently Russians is not that Russians are particularly evil. It's simply because they have the best technical higher education of Eastern Europe. Atheistic, post-Communist cultures of all of those countries, save for Czech Republic maybe, have no backstops against (nonviolent) crime at all. People there won't do cybercrime because they don't have the brains or training to do it, not because they are morally against it or society prevents them from it. It may be difficult to grasp for Americans (even those who don't consider themselves religious), but there are cultures that are completely Godless even on subconscious level. These people do whatever works and whatever they can get away with.
  - komali2 1y ago
    There are old and atheistic cultures that maintain strong value systems that follow similar principles to western ideas of law and "right and wrong." Therefore the assertion that Eastern Europeans being atheistic is the reason they are more open to doing crime is an extraordinary one, and unless you can provide extraordinary evidence, your assertion should be ignored.
    - anovikov 1y ago
      My assertion is that this is mainly because of Communism and the Atheism it brought in. Surely it won't happen because of historical/cultural Atheism e.g. in China. Communism has destroyed the very idea of "society" as we understand it - both due to ideology ("society as a construct put forward by the exploiter classes to keep people in check") - they originally even considered nuclear family to be such institution as well ("family as a cell of exploitation") but quickly realised that destroying the family results in depopulation and lack of muskets to fight the "capitalist pigs" and reverted on that one. For Communists, there is a state and there are people, but no "society" - it is a dangerous thing that can get in the Party's way as a quasi-organised third subject. State keeps people in check and exploits them to meet the Party's goals, people are free to do whatever they can get away with when the Party and the State are looking the other way, morally 100% free to cheat it and each other - hard power is the only thing that can stop them. Now the Party is gone, society has not formed, and the people are set free... Society and God are about the same thing right? Something that keeps people in check without a threat of hard force. Totalitarianism destroys that because it won't tolerate anything getting in it's way.
- f311a 1y ago
  Do you realize that 90% of Ukrainian names are the same as Russian? Sometimes they just spelled slightly different in Ukrainian language, but on Russian speaking websites Russian version are used. Volodymyr - Vladimir, Anton - Anton (same spelling).
  - Etheryte 1y ago
    This might be true of Ukraine, yet you see this across all of the Eastern Bloc, where the names are not similar, not just Ukraine.
TacticalCoder 1y ago
> It's funny how all Ukrainian criminals are Russians. /s I'm in Poland atm : it's funny how all criminals in Poland are Ukrainians /s (fwiw my mom is from Ukrainian roots and has one of those family names ending in "-enko" so chill out guys) Seriously though: lots of car theft here in Poland are cars being stolen and finding their way to Ukraine (and some to Russia).
Jon_Lowtek 1y ago
there is a difference between "russian" and "russian speaking" that is quite important to many eastern europeans that do not wish to be part of some kreml lead lingua-nation.
- draw_down 1y ago
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EdwardDiego 1y ago

> A 38-year-old Russian crime gang leader arrested in ... Kyiv, Ukraine. That tracks. How many Russian cybercriminals can you think of who were arrested in Russia? Hence why a lot of malware checks for your keyboard's language - so the payload doesn't deploy in Russia, which _would_ actually get you arrested. But if you're targeting people outside Russia, you're golden. As for why he's in Kyiv? Maybe his girlfriend is from there. Maybe he prefers Kyiv to Moscow or whichever oblast he's from. Maybe he's hiding from the Russian draft?