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Being honest with myself: my journey to learning how to code

84 points by kine 14y ago

keiferski 14y ago
I'm currently learning how to code. The biggest problem that I consistently have is getting the damn thing to work. I'm about halfway through the Hartl Rails Tutorial, and moving at a snails pace because I have to google error messages every five minutes. I end up spending hours changing permissions, re-installing packages, and poring over StackOverflow posts. I get that real-life software development is very similar, but I'd really just like to build something. Coding isn't all that hard (in my experience). It's the tangential stuff that makes it hard, and as a result, turns people off from learning.
- cfontes 14y ago
  Welcome to our world! I spend almost 30% of the project time helping people setup their environments or tracking a problems that are not directly related to the task they are assigned to do... that's unfortunately part of the game. But the bright side is that it will take less and less and less time to solve this kind of problem after a while.
- OWaz 14y ago
  I think what makes a difference is how you react when something goes wrong. Do you flip out and pull your hair out and complain? Or do you calmly try to understand what the problem is, spend some time figuring out what YOU did to create the problem and then fix it. I work with people who look in all the wrong places to fix a problem thinking some hidden magical set of code breaks things at random.
  - kine 14y ago
    Once you realize that the clues are all in the errors and they're not just random bits of text, that's what sets you free and gives you the power to fix.
    - waterlesscloud 14y ago
      Unless what you're trying to learn is Clojure. ;-)
    - gnaritas 14y ago
      Very true, also, the computer isn't trying to trick you, stop blaming it and go look in the mirror, there is your adversary.
  - jeremyjh 14y ago
    THE COMPILER IS WRONG!!!
- heretohelp 14y ago
  Getting efficient (not proficient, just efficient) at programming has a lot to do with experience and smoothing out all those errors from past scars. If it makes you feel any better, that slow grindy Google-heavy progress is normal for any programmer working in an environment they aren't experienced in. Toss a senior backend guy into frontend JS and CSS. Watch him rend his clothes to shreds. (CSS is fucking evil btw.) You slowly get better/quicker at learning new things, but nobody really walks into something different and just instantly knows how to do everything. The most important skills you can develop for ameliorating this is getting ace at debugging and static analysis. Both are close to my primary knack, above and beyond anything else I do as a programmer. I'm the go-to guy for my team whenever an intractable error/issue comes up. It is with great pleasure that I've been told this is Rich Hickey's knack as well, although I sincerely doubt I'll be anywhere near that good in the next 20 years.
- lukethomas 14y ago
  Make sure you are using the latest version of the book (if you are running Rails 3.2). I have the book, and I experienced the same problems! http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book
- clavalle 14y ago
  A huge part of coding is tenacity. Run into a problem you can't figure out? Time to get resourceful...go for the common solutions first: Think through the problem and try to figure out where you went wrong. If that doesn't work, look at similar examples and documentation. If that doesn't work go to the common win areas: StackOverflow, Google. If that doesn't work, go on to IRC or forums. If that doesn't work walk over to a knowledgeable collegue etc. etc. until, all at once, the solution comes to you like a bolt out of the blue and it is like you've known it your whole life. Rinse and Repeat until you've built something useful. The hard part is not cutting corners and sacrificing your original intent for the sake of getting over a hump. This is not so hard when expectations are clear like a tutorial but it is all-too-easy when creating a new product or feature. Good luck and welcome to the Tribe!
  - benji-york 14y ago
    I have come to believe that tenacity is the most useful skill (or trait) that programming can teach (or ingrain). Done well, the tenacity that a programmer possesses looks almost super-human to outside observers as well as being extremely valuable in other areas of endeavour.
  - wamatt 14y ago
    A huge part of life is tenacity.
- foobert 14y ago
  i was having similar trouble with the hartl book and got discouraged. I recommend doing these ruby tutorials and then the rails tutorials on this website: http://tutorials.jumpstartlab.com/ http://tutorials.jumpstartlab.com/ The projects are much shorter, and you very quickly realize the power of programming with ruby and rails. Now i'm jumping back into the hartl book and everything has been making sense. the jumpstart tutorials are very small, and once you create a rails app enough times you realize how much work its actually doing for you.
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lwm 14y ago
october to june, rails tutorial, and get a job. Well done sir.
maudineormsby 14y ago
This is more or less my story as well. I graduated from college with a philosophy degree and took a job in marketing. That job wasn't really marketing, despite the title, and I ended up spearheading a digital marketing effort that was 95% technical project management. That was the point when I realized I wanted to be the person making the products, not managing the people making them. So I did everything I could to get closer to the technology. I quit my job in the non-profit sector and moved to Chicago, took a job as a project manager at a technology/marketing company, learned QA processes, taught myself python over 12 months, built some scripts to automate tedious parts of my job, and eventually got a job in Automated QA. Now I'm an engineer in SF Bay Area at a startup. And yes, every day I go home and realize that my brain is wrung out, my mind is exhausted, and I am totally happy with it.
- valisystem 14y ago
  > And yes, every day I go home and realize that my brain is wrung out, my mind is exhausted, and I am totally happy with it. I had this issue the first two years I worked full time as a developer. It disappeared eventually.
  - kine 14y ago
    It's a great feeling though
  - maudineormsby 14y ago
    Hmm, I really hope it doesn't go away. It's the best part of the job. I have seen a number of my peers still doing this after many years, and still experiencing the same thing.
- znt 14y ago
  Don't you need a relevant degree to call yourself an 'engineer'?
  - sukuriant 14y ago
    "Software Developer Engineer", no matter what the degree they went to school for, still has the title of "engineer"
n_coats 14y ago
Bravo!
bobbywilson0 14y ago
I am interested in what you found to be the most effective learning tool or tools along your path. How did going through the rails book compare to the learning experiences on the job? Did you consider one of the many bootcamps, online programs, or other more structured learning?
- kine 14y ago
  Most effective for me have been Railscasts, building real projects and not just following the book. Learning on the job far surpasses the book as I'm actively engaged and not just following along on Rails (sorry, had to)
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ExcitedByNoise 14y ago
Good story. I did my undergrad in history and came out wanting to do something else. I spent a year on help desk, two years as a system and network administrator (skills I acquired by studying while I was on help desk) then I transitioned to development (which I studied for while doing admin) and now I lead my own projects. Like other have mentioned, it's all about dedication, tenacity, and passion. However, I don't want to overlook the importance of the people along the way who took a chance on me. Those people were just as important to me being able to continue down this career path as the my own efforts.
dradtke 14y ago
A lot of my friends have the opposite problem. They're in college in order to learn programming so they can make games, but they seem too content with enjoying other people's games to realize how satisfying it can be to actually create your own.
emilepetrone 14y ago
Great post - I did the same thing, and 2 years on, best decision I've ever made. It takes time but the main thing is to take the plunge and stick with it. Great job!

84 points by kine 14y ago

I'm currently learning how to code. The biggest problem that I consistently have is getting the damn thing to work. I'm about halfway through the Hartl Rails Tutorial, and moving at a snails pace because I have to google error messages every five minutes. I end up spending hours changing permissions, re-installing packages, and poring over StackOverflow posts. I get that real-life software development is very similar, but I'd really just like to build something. Coding isn't all that hard (in my experience). It's the tangential stuff that makes it hard, and as a result, turns people off from learning.

cfontes 14y ago
Welcome to our world! I spend almost 30% of the project time helping people setup their environments or tracking a problems that are not directly related to the task they are assigned to do... that's unfortunately part of the game. But the bright side is that it will take less and less and less time to solve this kind of problem after a while.
OWaz 14y ago
I think what makes a difference is how you react when something goes wrong. Do you flip out and pull your hair out and complain? Or do you calmly try to understand what the problem is, spend some time figuring out what YOU did to create the problem and then fix it. I work with people who look in all the wrong places to fix a problem thinking some hidden magical set of code breaks things at random.
- kine 14y ago
  Once you realize that the clues are all in the errors and they're not just random bits of text, that's what sets you free and gives you the power to fix.
  - waterlesscloud 14y ago
    Unless what you're trying to learn is Clojure. ;-)
  - gnaritas 14y ago
    Very true, also, the computer isn't trying to trick you, stop blaming it and go look in the mirror, there is your adversary.
- jeremyjh 14y ago
  THE COMPILER IS WRONG!!!
heretohelp 14y ago
Getting efficient (not proficient, just efficient) at programming has a lot to do with experience and smoothing out all those errors from past scars. If it makes you feel any better, that slow grindy Google-heavy progress is normal for any programmer working in an environment they aren't experienced in. Toss a senior backend guy into frontend JS and CSS. Watch him rend his clothes to shreds. (CSS is fucking evil btw.) You slowly get better/quicker at learning new things, but nobody really walks into something different and just instantly knows how to do everything. The most important skills you can develop for ameliorating this is getting ace at debugging and static analysis. Both are close to my primary knack, above and beyond anything else I do as a programmer. I'm the go-to guy for my team whenever an intractable error/issue comes up. It is with great pleasure that I've been told this is Rich Hickey's knack as well, although I sincerely doubt I'll be anywhere near that good in the next 20 years.
lukethomas 14y ago
Make sure you are using the latest version of the book (if you are running Rails 3.2). I have the book, and I experienced the same problems! http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book
clavalle 14y ago
A huge part of coding is tenacity. Run into a problem you can't figure out? Time to get resourceful...go for the common solutions first: Think through the problem and try to figure out where you went wrong. If that doesn't work, look at similar examples and documentation. If that doesn't work go to the common win areas: StackOverflow, Google. If that doesn't work, go on to IRC or forums. If that doesn't work walk over to a knowledgeable collegue etc. etc. until, all at once, the solution comes to you like a bolt out of the blue and it is like you've known it your whole life. Rinse and Repeat until you've built something useful. The hard part is not cutting corners and sacrificing your original intent for the sake of getting over a hump. This is not so hard when expectations are clear like a tutorial but it is all-too-easy when creating a new product or feature. Good luck and welcome to the Tribe!
- benji-york 14y ago
  I have come to believe that tenacity is the most useful skill (or trait) that programming can teach (or ingrain). Done well, the tenacity that a programmer possesses looks almost super-human to outside observers as well as being extremely valuable in other areas of endeavour.
- wamatt 14y ago
  A huge part of life is tenacity.
foobert 14y ago
i was having similar trouble with the hartl book and got discouraged. I recommend doing these ruby tutorials and then the rails tutorials on this website: http://tutorials.jumpstartlab.com/ http://tutorials.jumpstartlab.com/ The projects are much shorter, and you very quickly realize the power of programming with ruby and rails. Now i'm jumping back into the hartl book and everything has been making sense. the jumpstart tutorials are very small, and once you create a rails app enough times you realize how much work its actually doing for you.
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lwm 14y ago

october to june, rails tutorial, and get a job. Well done sir.

maudineormsby 14y ago

This is more or less my story as well. I graduated from college with a philosophy degree and took a job in marketing. That job wasn't really marketing, despite the title, and I ended up spearheading a digital marketing effort that was 95% technical project management. That was the point when I realized I wanted to be the person making the products, not managing the people making them. So I did everything I could to get closer to the technology. I quit my job in the non-profit sector and moved to Chicago, took a job as a project manager at a technology/marketing company, learned QA processes, taught myself python over 12 months, built some scripts to automate tedious parts of my job, and eventually got a job in Automated QA. Now I'm an engineer in SF Bay Area at a startup. And yes, every day I go home and realize that my brain is wrung out, my mind is exhausted, and I am totally happy with it.

valisystem 14y ago
> And yes, every day I go home and realize that my brain is wrung out, my mind is exhausted, and I am totally happy with it. I had this issue the first two years I worked full time as a developer. It disappeared eventually.
- kine 14y ago
  It's a great feeling though
- maudineormsby 14y ago
  Hmm, I really hope it doesn't go away. It's the best part of the job. I have seen a number of my peers still doing this after many years, and still experiencing the same thing.
znt 14y ago
Don't you need a relevant degree to call yourself an 'engineer'?
- sukuriant 14y ago
  "Software Developer Engineer", no matter what the degree they went to school for, still has the title of "engineer"

n_coats 14y ago

Bravo!

bobbywilson0 14y ago

I am interested in what you found to be the most effective learning tool or tools along your path. How did going through the rails book compare to the learning experiences on the job? Did you consider one of the many bootcamps, online programs, or other more structured learning?

kine 14y ago
Most effective for me have been Railscasts, building real projects and not just following the book. Learning on the job far surpasses the book as I'm actively engaged and not just following along on Rails (sorry, had to)

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ExcitedByNoise 14y ago

Good story. I did my undergrad in history and came out wanting to do something else. I spent a year on help desk, two years as a system and network administrator (skills I acquired by studying while I was on help desk) then I transitioned to development (which I studied for while doing admin) and now I lead my own projects. Like other have mentioned, it's all about dedication, tenacity, and passion. However, I don't want to overlook the importance of the people along the way who took a chance on me. Those people were just as important to me being able to continue down this career path as the my own efforts.

dradtke 14y ago

A lot of my friends have the opposite problem. They're in college in order to learn programming so they can make games, but they seem too content with enjoying other people's games to realize how satisfying it can be to actually create your own.

emilepetrone 14y ago

Great post - I did the same thing, and 2 years on, best decision I've ever made. It takes time but the main thing is to take the plunge and stick with it. Great job!