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"€20/month from Hetzner" is great until you actually need it to be up and working when you need it.

by TylerE 1y ago

immibis 1y ago
IME Hetzner's not unreliable. I don't think you could serve 100k requests per second on a single VPS though. (And with dedicated, you're on the hook for redundancy yourself, same as any dedicated.)
- cyberpunk 1y ago
  They’re unreliable as soon as you have to deal with their support who have the technical knowledge of a brick. And as soon as you have to do ant business / deal with the german side of the business expect everything to slow down to 2 weeks for response which will still be incorrect. They are simply not worth the hassle. Go with a competent host.
  - Aeolun 1y ago
    > They’re unreliable as soon as you have to deal with their support who have the technical knowledge of a brick. Since I never have to, that’s perfect isn’t it? If you need support from Hetzner you are using the wrong host.
    - cyberpunk 1y ago
      So they've never decided to blackhole your prod traffic 2 days after migrating to them? lucky.
      - Aeolun 1y ago
        I don’t think I’ve ever migrated anywhere and not kep the previous thing running for a month unless I wasn’t worried about exactly that thing happening (to be fair, not prod traffic blackhole, but similar effect)
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      Simply running "ipfs daemon" is enough to get hetzner to threaten canceling your service. They send nasty letters with pcap dumps of your "hacking" attempts and it doesn't matter how wrong you think they are.
      - immibis 1y ago
        clearly not true because I ran an ipfs daemon before and didn't get any nasty letters. I got nasty letters during the letterbombing attack on Tor relays. They were nasty letters forwarded by Hetzner from the people who actually wrote them. Pointing Hetzner to the page about the attack made them go away.
        ranger_danger 1y ago
        > clearly not true because it never happened to me personally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence Here's one of several emails they've sent me over the years, each one happening right after running "ipfs daemon": https://0x0.st/Kryd.png https://0x0.st/Kryd.png There's lots of other easily-searchable accounts of people having the exact same experience: https://github.com/ipfs/kubo/issues/4343 https://github.com/ipfs/kubo/issues/4343 https://discuss.ipfs.tech/t/moved-ipfs-node-result-netscan-detected-from-my-public-ip/8709 https://discuss.ipfs.tech/t/moved-ipfs-node-result-netscan-d... https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/issues/3982 https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/issues/3982 https://github.com/filecoin-project/lassie/issues/121 https://github.com/filecoin-project/lassie/issues/121 https://github.com/covalenthq/refiner/issues/140 https://github.com/covalenthq/refiner/issues/140
  - celsoazevedo 1y ago
    Ideally, we'd all be using very good and competent hosting companies, but they're not ideal for free/low revenue projects. It's better to have some down time than having to shut down the service because you can't afford to keep it running. I think that in both cases here (OpenFreeMap and wplace), Hetzner/OVH/Scaleway is the way to go. Depending on what we're doing, the cost savings can even allow us to have redundancy at another cheap provider just in case something goes wrong.
motorest 1y ago
> "€20/month from Hetzner" is great until you actually need it to be up and working when you need it. I managed a few Hetzner cloud instances, and some report perfect uptime for over a year. The ones that don't, I was the root cause. What exactly leads you to make this sort of claim? Do you actually have any data or are you just running your mouth off?
- slacktivism123 1y ago
  >What exactly leads you to make this sort of claim? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29651993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29651993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42365295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42365295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44038591 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44038591 >are you just running your mouth off? Don't be snarky. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - Aeolun 1y ago
    This all seems to be Hetzner Cloud offerings?
  - eitland 1y ago
    I’ve just checked all three, and it appears to be rather more nuanced than you make it out to be.

"€20/month from Hetzner" is great until you actually need it to be up and working when you need it.

by TylerE 1y ago

"€20/month from Hetzner" is great until you actually need it to be up and working when you need it.

IME Hetzner's not unreliable. I don't think you could serve 100k requests per second on a single VPS though. (And with dedicated, you're on the hook for redundancy yourself, same as any dedicated.)

cyberpunk 1y ago
They’re unreliable as soon as you have to deal with their support who have the technical knowledge of a brick. And as soon as you have to do ant business / deal with the german side of the business expect everything to slow down to 2 weeks for response which will still be incorrect. They are simply not worth the hassle. Go with a competent host.
- Aeolun 1y ago
  > They’re unreliable as soon as you have to deal with their support who have the technical knowledge of a brick. Since I never have to, that’s perfect isn’t it? If you need support from Hetzner you are using the wrong host.
  - cyberpunk 1y ago
    So they've never decided to blackhole your prod traffic 2 days after migrating to them? lucky.
    - Aeolun 1y ago
      I don’t think I’ve ever migrated anywhere and not kep the previous thing running for a month unless I wasn’t worried about exactly that thing happening (to be fair, not prod traffic blackhole, but similar effect)
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    Simply running "ipfs daemon" is enough to get hetzner to threaten canceling your service. They send nasty letters with pcap dumps of your "hacking" attempts and it doesn't matter how wrong you think they are.
    - immibis 1y ago
      clearly not true because I ran an ipfs daemon before and didn't get any nasty letters. I got nasty letters during the letterbombing attack on Tor relays. They were nasty letters forwarded by Hetzner from the people who actually wrote them. Pointing Hetzner to the page about the attack made them go away.
      - ranger_danger 1y ago
        > clearly not true because it never happened to me personally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence Here's one of several emails they've sent me over the years, each one happening right after running "ipfs daemon": https://0x0.st/Kryd.png https://0x0.st/Kryd.png There's lots of other easily-searchable accounts of people having the exact same experience: https://github.com/ipfs/kubo/issues/4343 https://github.com/ipfs/kubo/issues/4343 https://discuss.ipfs.tech/t/moved-ipfs-node-result-netscan-detected-from-my-public-ip/8709 https://discuss.ipfs.tech/t/moved-ipfs-node-result-netscan-d... https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/issues/3982 https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/issues/3982 https://github.com/filecoin-project/lassie/issues/121 https://github.com/filecoin-project/lassie/issues/121 https://github.com/covalenthq/refiner/issues/140 https://github.com/covalenthq/refiner/issues/140
- celsoazevedo 1y ago
  Ideally, we'd all be using very good and competent hosting companies, but they're not ideal for free/low revenue projects. It's better to have some down time than having to shut down the service because you can't afford to keep it running. I think that in both cases here (OpenFreeMap and wplace), Hetzner/OVH/Scaleway is the way to go. Depending on what we're doing, the cost savings can even allow us to have redundancy at another cheap provider just in case something goes wrong.

motorest 1y ago

> "€20/month from Hetzner" is great until you actually need it to be up and working when you need it. I managed a few Hetzner cloud instances, and some report perfect uptime for over a year. The ones that don't, I was the root cause. What exactly leads you to make this sort of claim? Do you actually have any data or are you just running your mouth off?

slacktivism123 1y ago
>What exactly leads you to make this sort of claim? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29651993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29651993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42365295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42365295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44038591 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44038591 >are you just running your mouth off? Don't be snarky. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Aeolun 1y ago
  This all seems to be Hetzner Cloud offerings?
- eitland 1y ago
  I’ve just checked all three, and it appears to be rather more nuanced than you make it out to be.