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GPT-5 is better as a conversational thinking partner than GPT-4o. It's answers are more concise, focused and informative. The conversation flows. GPT-5 feels mo

GPT-5 is better as a conversational thinking partner than GPT-4o. It's answers are more concise, focused and informative. The conversation flows. GPT-5 feels more mature than GPT-4o with less juvenile "glazing." I can't speak to other uses such as coding, but as a sounding board GPT-5 is better than GPT-4o, which was already pretty good. GPT-5's personality has definitely shifted to a more professional tone which I like. I do understand why people are missing the more synchophant persoanlity of GPT-4o, but I'm not one of them.

saulpw 1y ago
That sounds 10% better, not 10x better. That's close enough to 'peaked'.
- labrador 1y ago
  Agreed. Sam Altman definitely over-hyped GPT-5. It's not so much more capable that it deserves a major version number bump.
  - 3836293648 1y ago
    Surely a major version bump says more about the internals than the capabilities
    - labrador 1y ago
      I see your point from a software engineering perspective but unfortuately that's not how the public sees it. The common perception is that we are making leaps towards AGI. I never thought AGI was close so I'm not disappointed, but a lot of people seem to be. On the other hand, I've seen comments like "I guess my fears of a destructive super-intelligence were over-blown."
  - kjkjadksj 1y ago
    People seem to make this exact comment on here at every gpt release. I wonder what gpt we ought to actually be on? 1.4.6?
    - labrador 1y ago
      In retrospect I would have named it as follows: GPT-4 -> GPT-4 Home GPT-5 -> GPT-4 Enterprise Because my impression after using GPT-5 that it is designed to satisfy the needs of Microsoft mainly. Microsoft has no interest in making AI therapists or AI companions, probably because of the legal liability. Also, that's outside their core business.
    - coldtea 1y ago
      3.something. They make "this exact comment on here at every gpt release" because every GPT release is touted as revolutionary and it's increasinly a smaller bump.
      - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
        4 was definitely way better
  - torginus 1y ago
    I still think it's a solid achievement, but weirdly positioned. It's their new-poverty spec model, available to everyone, and is likely not too large. It's decently good at coding, and math, beating current SOTA of Opus 4.1 by a small margin, while being much cheaper and faster to run, hinting at likely a much smaller model. However it's no better at trivia or writing emails or essays, which is what regular people who use ChatGPT through the website actually care about, making this launch come off as awkward.
  - hoppp 1y ago
    They gonna release new models like apple releases iphones, same stuff little tweaks and improvements.
- al_borland 1y ago
  By definition, if something is still getting 10% better each year it hasn’t yet peaked. Not even close.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    Getting 10% better over this last year compared to, say, 100% and 50% and 25% better the 4-5 years before? I'd say that points to it being very close to peaked. Nobody said anything about a steady 10% year-over-year being the case forever...
    - anuramat 1y ago
      kinda how theoretical physics peaked in 1878, as predicted by Philipp von Jolly? why does everyone feel the urge to extrapolate a vibe-based metric based on three points? isn't scientific/technological progress inherently unpredictable anyway
      - coldtea 1y ago
        No, more like how theoretical physics peaked in 1960s. >why does everyone feel the urge to extrapolate a vibe-based metric based on three points? Because marketers of AI extrapolate even worse to hype it, and a counter-correction is needed...
        anuramat 1y ago
        I meant that we could be in the 19th century stage, not that we necessarily are > marketers of AI why would I ever consider their opinion to be valuable?
  - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
    It’s just extrapolating the asymptote man.
- dileeparanawake 1y ago
  Yep right now I’m not even sure I’d say it’s 10% better (at things I use it for). Feels overhyped based on the launch and what every influencer covered in their review (maybe obviously). Maybe it will get better as they sort out routing and other kinks. Right now feels like big gap between marketing and reality.

saulpw 1y ago

That sounds 10% better, not 10x better. That's close enough to 'peaked'.

labrador 1y ago
Agreed. Sam Altman definitely over-hyped GPT-5. It's not so much more capable that it deserves a major version number bump.
- 3836293648 1y ago
  Surely a major version bump says more about the internals than the capabilities
  - labrador 1y ago
    I see your point from a software engineering perspective but unfortuately that's not how the public sees it. The common perception is that we are making leaps towards AGI. I never thought AGI was close so I'm not disappointed, but a lot of people seem to be. On the other hand, I've seen comments like "I guess my fears of a destructive super-intelligence were over-blown."
- kjkjadksj 1y ago
  People seem to make this exact comment on here at every gpt release. I wonder what gpt we ought to actually be on? 1.4.6?
  - labrador 1y ago
    In retrospect I would have named it as follows: GPT-4 -> GPT-4 Home GPT-5 -> GPT-4 Enterprise Because my impression after using GPT-5 that it is designed to satisfy the needs of Microsoft mainly. Microsoft has no interest in making AI therapists or AI companions, probably because of the legal liability. Also, that's outside their core business.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    3.something. They make "this exact comment on here at every gpt release" because every GPT release is touted as revolutionary and it's increasinly a smaller bump.
    - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
      4 was definitely way better
- torginus 1y ago
  I still think it's a solid achievement, but weirdly positioned. It's their new-poverty spec model, available to everyone, and is likely not too large. It's decently good at coding, and math, beating current SOTA of Opus 4.1 by a small margin, while being much cheaper and faster to run, hinting at likely a much smaller model. However it's no better at trivia or writing emails or essays, which is what regular people who use ChatGPT through the website actually care about, making this launch come off as awkward.
- hoppp 1y ago
  They gonna release new models like apple releases iphones, same stuff little tweaks and improvements.
al_borland 1y ago
By definition, if something is still getting 10% better each year it hasn’t yet peaked. Not even close.
- coldtea 1y ago
  Getting 10% better over this last year compared to, say, 100% and 50% and 25% better the 4-5 years before? I'd say that points to it being very close to peaked. Nobody said anything about a steady 10% year-over-year being the case forever...
  - anuramat 1y ago
    kinda how theoretical physics peaked in 1878, as predicted by Philipp von Jolly? why does everyone feel the urge to extrapolate a vibe-based metric based on three points? isn't scientific/technological progress inherently unpredictable anyway
    - coldtea 1y ago
      No, more like how theoretical physics peaked in 1960s. >why does everyone feel the urge to extrapolate a vibe-based metric based on three points? Because marketers of AI extrapolate even worse to hype it, and a counter-correction is needed...
      - anuramat 1y ago
        I meant that we could be in the 19th century stage, not that we necessarily are > marketers of AI why would I ever consider their opinion to be valuable?
- BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
  It’s just extrapolating the asymptote man.
dileeparanawake 1y ago
Yep right now I’m not even sure I’d say it’s 10% better (at things I use it for). Feels overhyped based on the launch and what every influencer covered in their review (maybe obviously). Maybe it will get better as they sort out routing and other kinks. Right now feels like big gap between marketing and reality.