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ChatGPT Agent – EU Launch

59 points by Topfi 1y ago

Topfi 1y ago
ChatGPT agent has now been made available in the EU and all other supported countries and territories for Pro, Plus, Team, Enterprise, and Edu plans, as was to be expected [0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44596320 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44596320
- andix 1y ago
  I have it available already for one or two weeks. Tried it once and it really sucked.
  - bl0rg 1y ago
    What did you try to use it for? But I agree, it feels kinda beta at the moment.
    - FergusArgyll 1y ago
      I've been trying to find a good use case for it, I got one that I was happy with [0] but, yeah, it's not perfect [0] https://chatgpt.com/share/68953a55-c5d8-8003-a817-663f565c6f57 https://chatgpt.com/share/68953a55-c5d8-8003-a817-663f565c6f...
      - SillyUsername 1y ago
        If this got some traction there would be a lot more use cases: https://community.openai.com/t/feature-ifttt-connector-in-agent-mode/1338357 https://community.openai.com/t/feature-ifttt-connector-in-ag...
    - andix 1y ago
      One of the suggested prompts was: "create a presentation about". So I did that and asked it to create a presentation about things to do around a popular location. It did research for ages, not really finding anything useful. And then it took it ages to create a very generic presentation that looked like from PowerPoint 95 with very generic tips.
  - diggan 1y ago
    > I have it available already for one or two weeks. I think I've had it available with the separate website ("research preview"?) for months, but yeah, last few weeks it's been directly in ChatGPT.com, and I'm within the EU.
kaoD 1y ago
If I reject cookies the page instant goes to "UH OH. SOMETHING WENT WRONG." What is ChatGPT Agent?
- ivape 1y ago
  It's them trying to making products on top of AI. It's like the Apache server team making websites to show what a server is capable of (lol). Just give us the API and stop trying OpenAI.
- tempodox 1y ago
  Allergic to cookie denials. Fits with the fact that GPT-5 demands biometric ID from users. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44837367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44837367
  - MaxikCZ 1y ago
    Yea, I was looking forward to test new gpt5, but giving them my ID + scanning my face is not something I am willing to do to be allowed to give them my money.
torben-friis 1y ago
This has been available for a while in my EU account (?). Can’t say much about the usage as I haven’t tried it yet.
seba_dos1 1y ago
I don't trust anyone who sees the output of current generation of LLMs and thinks "I want that to be agentic!". It can be immensely useful, but it's only useful when it manages to make your own brain work more, not less.
- falcor84 1y ago
  As I see it, all of civilization is built on top of this "laziness" principle of "I'm tired of having to deal with X, how can I sort X so that I don't need to think about it anymore, and can instead focus on Y". I'm general, people want their brain to work on other stuff, not what's currently in front of them.
  - seba_dos1 1y ago
    ...which is precisely why they end up with slop rather than increased productivity, as it's not a tool that's up for this task.
    - falcor84 1y ago
      On a related note, there are hundreds of millions of knowledge workers around the world who don't want to write code but do want to automate repetitive calculations across various domains. Over the last decades, they have created many billions of spreadsheets that are now the blood vessels of the global economy. Most of these spreadsheets are bug-ridden, particularly around edge conditions. Nevertheless, the economic "blood" keeps flowing, routing around errors and inefficiencies, and I've never heard anyone claim that we'd have better productivity if random Joe couldn't create a spreadsheet, and had to instead wait for the budget for a programmer to write code for them to do that (even if we had programmers writing bug-free code).
- adastra22 1y ago
  Which is exactly what agentic tools do--I focus on making decisions, not carrying out the gruntwork actions.
  - 1y ago
baxtr 1y ago
Can someone explain to me in simple terms what an agent is? Is for example Google’s crawl bot an agent? Is there a prominent successful agent that I could test myself? So many questions…
- LPisGood 1y ago
  The way everyone is using the term lately is to refer to an LLM that can use one or more tools, calculators, search engines, etc
- bognition 1y ago
  Think of an agent as a standalone script or service. They have a single function take inputs and create outputs. You can chain agents together into a string to accomplish larger tasks. Think of everything involved in booking travel. You have set a budget, pick dates, chose a destinations, etc…. Each step can be defined as an agent and then you chain them together into a tool that handles the entire task for you.
- koakuma-chan 1y ago
  An agent in this context is simply an LLM that has tools.
  - XenophileJKO 1y ago
    There is an additional component. The LLM needs to determine when to use a tool and be capable of using more than one tool instance per logical task.
    - diggan 1y ago
      That's pretty much implicit when someone says "LLM that has tools" (what they mean between the lines is "A LLM that been trained to do tool calling, and used with a runner that can parse whatever tool calling/response format the model is trained for"), what would they refer to otherwise? Just that there is a list of tools but the LLM isn't even considering using them, or can only use one?
SillyUsername 1y ago
If you want agent to be genuinely useful please support this feature request to have a connector for IFTTT: https://community.openai.com/t/feature-ifttt-connector-in-agent-mode/1338357 https://community.openai.com/t/feature-ifttt-connector-in-ag...
icapybara 1y ago
Hard to be excited about ChatGPT Agent - Claude Code feels like the right form factor for an agent.

59 points by Topfi 1y ago

ChatGPT agent has now been made available in the EU and all other supported countries and territories for Pro, Plus, Team, Enterprise, and Edu plans, as was to be expected [0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44596320 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44596320

andix 1y ago
I have it available already for one or two weeks. Tried it once and it really sucked.
- bl0rg 1y ago
  What did you try to use it for? But I agree, it feels kinda beta at the moment.
  - FergusArgyll 1y ago
    I've been trying to find a good use case for it, I got one that I was happy with [0] but, yeah, it's not perfect [0] https://chatgpt.com/share/68953a55-c5d8-8003-a817-663f565c6f57 https://chatgpt.com/share/68953a55-c5d8-8003-a817-663f565c6f...
    - SillyUsername 1y ago
      If this got some traction there would be a lot more use cases: https://community.openai.com/t/feature-ifttt-connector-in-agent-mode/1338357 https://community.openai.com/t/feature-ifttt-connector-in-ag...
  - andix 1y ago
    One of the suggested prompts was: "create a presentation about". So I did that and asked it to create a presentation about things to do around a popular location. It did research for ages, not really finding anything useful. And then it took it ages to create a very generic presentation that looked like from PowerPoint 95 with very generic tips.
- diggan 1y ago
  > I have it available already for one or two weeks. I think I've had it available with the separate website ("research preview"?) for months, but yeah, last few weeks it's been directly in ChatGPT.com, and I'm within the EU.

kaoD 1y ago

If I reject cookies the page instant goes to "UH OH. SOMETHING WENT WRONG." What is ChatGPT Agent?

ivape 1y ago
It's them trying to making products on top of AI. It's like the Apache server team making websites to show what a server is capable of (lol). Just give us the API and stop trying OpenAI.
tempodox 1y ago
Allergic to cookie denials. Fits with the fact that GPT-5 demands biometric ID from users. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44837367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44837367
- MaxikCZ 1y ago
  Yea, I was looking forward to test new gpt5, but giving them my ID + scanning my face is not something I am willing to do to be allowed to give them my money.

torben-friis 1y ago

This has been available for a while in my EU account (?). Can’t say much about the usage as I haven’t tried it yet.

seba_dos1 1y ago

I don't trust anyone who sees the output of current generation of LLMs and thinks "I want that to be agentic!". It can be immensely useful, but it's only useful when it manages to make your own brain work more, not less.

falcor84 1y ago
As I see it, all of civilization is built on top of this "laziness" principle of "I'm tired of having to deal with X, how can I sort X so that I don't need to think about it anymore, and can instead focus on Y". I'm general, people want their brain to work on other stuff, not what's currently in front of them.
- seba_dos1 1y ago
  ...which is precisely why they end up with slop rather than increased productivity, as it's not a tool that's up for this task.
  - falcor84 1y ago
    On a related note, there are hundreds of millions of knowledge workers around the world who don't want to write code but do want to automate repetitive calculations across various domains. Over the last decades, they have created many billions of spreadsheets that are now the blood vessels of the global economy. Most of these spreadsheets are bug-ridden, particularly around edge conditions. Nevertheless, the economic "blood" keeps flowing, routing around errors and inefficiencies, and I've never heard anyone claim that we'd have better productivity if random Joe couldn't create a spreadsheet, and had to instead wait for the budget for a programmer to write code for them to do that (even if we had programmers writing bug-free code).
adastra22 1y ago
Which is exactly what agentic tools do--I focus on making decisions, not carrying out the gruntwork actions.
- 1y ago

baxtr 1y ago

Can someone explain to me in simple terms what an agent is? Is for example Google’s crawl bot an agent? Is there a prominent successful agent that I could test myself? So many questions…

LPisGood 1y ago
The way everyone is using the term lately is to refer to an LLM that can use one or more tools, calculators, search engines, etc
bognition 1y ago
Think of an agent as a standalone script or service. They have a single function take inputs and create outputs. You can chain agents together into a string to accomplish larger tasks. Think of everything involved in booking travel. You have set a budget, pick dates, chose a destinations, etc…. Each step can be defined as an agent and then you chain them together into a tool that handles the entire task for you.
koakuma-chan 1y ago
An agent in this context is simply an LLM that has tools.
- XenophileJKO 1y ago
  There is an additional component. The LLM needs to determine when to use a tool and be capable of using more than one tool instance per logical task.
  - diggan 1y ago
    That's pretty much implicit when someone says "LLM that has tools" (what they mean between the lines is "A LLM that been trained to do tool calling, and used with a runner that can parse whatever tool calling/response format the model is trained for"), what would they refer to otherwise? Just that there is a list of tools but the LLM isn't even considering using them, or can only use one?

SillyUsername 1y ago

If you want agent to be genuinely useful please support this feature request to have a connector for IFTTT: https://community.openai.com/t/feature-ifttt-connector-in-agent-mode/1338357 https://community.openai.com/t/feature-ifttt-connector-in-ag...

icapybara 1y ago

Hard to be excited about ChatGPT Agent - Claude Code feels like the right form factor for an agent.