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What about current macbooks is not industry leading? What excuse besides liking windows or wanting an even cheaper machine do you have not to get one?

kaladin-jasnah 1y ago
You should also consider liking Linux, or wanting to support the right to repair movement. Or disliking Apple for whatever reason, such as their generally very closed nature. My biggest criterion for buying consumer electronics is being able to replace the software easily, followed by being able to replace the hardware easily. Nothing else is particularly important.
rowanG077 1y ago
The OS is one of the important part of the experience of using a computer. So it makes sense to filter first on what kind of OS matches what you want. I run a M2 MBP and I wouldn't use it if I couldn't run linux. But in terms of hardware it's a truly great machine. The first laptop where I'm satisfied by the power. M4 doesn't have linux support(yet).
- sofixa 1y ago
  > M4 doesn't have linux support(yet). To be fair, no M-series Macs have Linux support. For some, the community has added support themselves, without any contributions from Apple.
  - rowanG077 1y ago
    I don't see how that is a relevant distinction. Most PC and laptops have no Linux support if you view it like that. The point is Linux runs great on the ones it's available for.
    - sudoshred 1y ago
      One caveat is battery life.
cozzyd 1y ago
Linux support is not industry leading, nor presence of Ethernet port. Sadly others are following in lack of ports as I can't find a new Thinkpad that has both an Ethernet port and an SD slot.
- zozbot234 1y ago
  What do you need these ports for, that you can't get with a modern USB-connected dock? It can't be a matter of portability since by and large laptops with Ethernet and SD-card I/O are going to be bulky, not-really-portable "desktop replacement" products anyway.
  - Uvix 1y ago
    Conference rooms have Ethernet ports but don't have docks.
  - cozzyd 1y ago
    My current Thinkpad has both and is very portable (14", 1.5 kg) The Ethernet port is extremely useful in the field or in the lab to connect to various devices. The SD prt is useful for imaging embedded devices, or for getting pictures off my camera.
- seanmcdirmid 1y ago
  Aren’t those both easy to add via USB-C? Ethernet for sure is just a dongle connected to your Ethernet cable.
esseph 1y ago
> What about current macbooks is not industry leading? Market share, right to repair, upgradability, no open source
sofixa 1y ago
OS is still pretty terrible. From janky kid focused UX, to trying to hide errors and information from you (e.g. you try extending your screen to an iPad, and it just says it failed. No information whatsoever about why or what you could do, just fuck you), to basic features missing (did you know you can't have a different scroll direction between scroll button and touchpad? There are two toggles in two menus, but they just change each other).

kaladin-jasnah 1y ago

You should also consider liking Linux, or wanting to support the right to repair movement. Or disliking Apple for whatever reason, such as their generally very closed nature. My biggest criterion for buying consumer electronics is being able to replace the software easily, followed by being able to replace the hardware easily. Nothing else is particularly important.

rowanG077 1y ago

The OS is one of the important part of the experience of using a computer. So it makes sense to filter first on what kind of OS matches what you want. I run a M2 MBP and I wouldn't use it if I couldn't run linux. But in terms of hardware it's a truly great machine. The first laptop where I'm satisfied by the power. M4 doesn't have linux support(yet).

sofixa 1y ago
> M4 doesn't have linux support(yet). To be fair, no M-series Macs have Linux support. For some, the community has added support themselves, without any contributions from Apple.
- rowanG077 1y ago
  I don't see how that is a relevant distinction. Most PC and laptops have no Linux support if you view it like that. The point is Linux runs great on the ones it's available for.
  - sudoshred 1y ago
    One caveat is battery life.

cozzyd 1y ago

Linux support is not industry leading, nor presence of Ethernet port. Sadly others are following in lack of ports as I can't find a new Thinkpad that has both an Ethernet port and an SD slot.

zozbot234 1y ago
What do you need these ports for, that you can't get with a modern USB-connected dock? It can't be a matter of portability since by and large laptops with Ethernet and SD-card I/O are going to be bulky, not-really-portable "desktop replacement" products anyway.
- Uvix 1y ago
  Conference rooms have Ethernet ports but don't have docks.
- cozzyd 1y ago
  My current Thinkpad has both and is very portable (14", 1.5 kg) The Ethernet port is extremely useful in the field or in the lab to connect to various devices. The SD prt is useful for imaging embedded devices, or for getting pictures off my camera.
seanmcdirmid 1y ago
Aren’t those both easy to add via USB-C? Ethernet for sure is just a dongle connected to your Ethernet cable.

esseph 1y ago

> What about current macbooks is not industry leading? Market share, right to repair, upgradability, no open source

sofixa 1y ago

OS is still pretty terrible. From janky kid focused UX, to trying to hide errors and information from you (e.g. you try extending your screen to an iPad, and it just says it failed. No information whatsoever about why or what you could do, just fuck you), to basic features missing (did you know you can't have a different scroll direction between scroll button and touchpad? There are two toggles in two menus, but they just change each other).