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Thank god Apple has been putting their eggs in their home-woven ARM basket. Now I just wish that they had a CEO who was above golden-trophy ass-kissing.

tengwar2 1y ago
Partly home-made. Arm Holdings is British-based, but owned by Softbank Group (Japanese).
- gdiamos 1y ago
  Arm makes a specification and standard (the ARM ISA). Apple licenses that and develops their own chip, which is then manufactured by TSMC. So I guess if Intel dies the US will still have a few good CPU design firms, but no manufacturing Also note that Foxconn (China) assembles the iPhones Eg https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-factory-foxconn-china-photos-tour-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-factory-foxconn...
  - deaddodo 1y ago
    ARM also produces core reference implementations. Most ARM licensees’ licenses only allow them to use those in a slightly modified form. What you’re talking about is an ARM IP license, which allow the company to build their own implementation of the standard. Only a few companies have those and, of those, even fewer actually use it. Apple is one of those that does.
- landl0rd 1y ago
  Apple still holds the license to the arm arches/designs they've used. There's enough customization applied that I'd guess Apple could function absent ARM, even if it's not the ideal scenario for them. Plus Britain and Japan are both somewhere between close allies and client states. Nobody cares if we license from them.
  - extraduder_ire 1y ago
    Apple is also not a regular ARM licensee. They have a special deal because they were a very early investor when they wanted a chip to power the Newton back in the day.
    - deaddodo 1y ago
      No they don’t. I mean, that is why they have that license (though PA Semi, the company they absorbed that develops their cores, also brought one along with them); but it’s not a special or unique license. Nvidia, Qualcomm, AMD, etc all have the same license. Apple is near unique only in that they’ve pretty much never used reference implementations (since the PA Semi acquisition, at least) from ARM and stick to their pure bespoke microarchitectures. But they’re not the only company that could.
- OrvalWintermute 1y ago
  Japan is our ally.
  - linuxhansl 1y ago
    Not much longer if we continue as we do.
  - blooalien 1y ago
    We still have allies?
  - pphysch 1y ago
    More importantly, we militarily occupy Japan.
    - tengwar2 1y ago
      One general's occupation is another's hostage situation.
  - dyauspitr 1y ago
    We won’t have any allies left at the end of next year besides maybe Russia and Israel.
hinkley 1y ago
Amd64 has other vendors.
scarface_74 1y ago
I hate everything that Cook is doing to kiss up to Trump and he did something similar during the first administration by letting Trump brag about final assembly of low selling Mac Pros was happening in the US. But this is the country that the US wants (said as a born and bred US citizen) these are the results of it. Every CEO is kissing Trumps ass because that’s the only way you get ahead in the US now. The media, the other two branches, colleges, tech companies etc have all bent a knee and bribed the President in one way or the other.
- everfrustrated 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    Hint: my user name will give you a clue about my age.
- dylan604 1y ago
  The fact he allowed Tim Apple to just hang out there was telling
- crinkly 1y ago
  I think Tim is only kissing ass because the desk trinket is cheap and the investment will take time to materialise, probably after this presidency. And Apple will be around longer than trump will be alive. I’m sure it’s killing him as much as us.
  - beej71 1y ago
    > I’m sure it’s killing him as much as us. I'm not. If someone were playing the pure numbers, I'll bet they'd have some exactly this. It's how you maximize profit under Trump.
    - crinkly 1y ago
      That’s his job. He’s doing it.
dylan604 1y ago
Does it being "designed in California" but "made in Taiwan" really make a difference? If Taiwan was to be invaded and TSMC follows through with their threat of destroying all of the fabs, Apple's home-woven basket wouldn't be worth much at all
- seszett 1y ago
  If the US or the Netherlands were being invaded that world also wreak havoc, but how is that related to the links between China and Intel's CEO?
  - dylan604 1y ago
    Invading the US or Netherlands would not impact chip production. How are you not able to grasp that?
    - nerdsniper 1y ago
      Besides missing the point, this is a bad argument. ASML manufactures the machines that TSMC uses to produce chips - they have an even more critical and irreplaceable role in chip production than Taiwan does. ASML is headquartered in Veldhoven, NL. That would absolutely affect chip production - no new nodes, no replacement parts. There are other critical technologies for semiconductor manufacturing made in USA as well.
      - selimthegrim 1y ago
        They are partially made in San Diego.

tengwar2 1y ago

Partly home-made. Arm Holdings is British-based, but owned by Softbank Group (Japanese).

gdiamos 1y ago
Arm makes a specification and standard (the ARM ISA). Apple licenses that and develops their own chip, which is then manufactured by TSMC. So I guess if Intel dies the US will still have a few good CPU design firms, but no manufacturing Also note that Foxconn (China) assembles the iPhones Eg https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-factory-foxconn-china-photos-tour-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-factory-foxconn...
- deaddodo 1y ago
  ARM also produces core reference implementations. Most ARM licensees’ licenses only allow them to use those in a slightly modified form. What you’re talking about is an ARM IP license, which allow the company to build their own implementation of the standard. Only a few companies have those and, of those, even fewer actually use it. Apple is one of those that does.
landl0rd 1y ago
Apple still holds the license to the arm arches/designs they've used. There's enough customization applied that I'd guess Apple could function absent ARM, even if it's not the ideal scenario for them. Plus Britain and Japan are both somewhere between close allies and client states. Nobody cares if we license from them.
- extraduder_ire 1y ago
  Apple is also not a regular ARM licensee. They have a special deal because they were a very early investor when they wanted a chip to power the Newton back in the day.
  - deaddodo 1y ago
    No they don’t. I mean, that is why they have that license (though PA Semi, the company they absorbed that develops their cores, also brought one along with them); but it’s not a special or unique license. Nvidia, Qualcomm, AMD, etc all have the same license. Apple is near unique only in that they’ve pretty much never used reference implementations (since the PA Semi acquisition, at least) from ARM and stick to their pure bespoke microarchitectures. But they’re not the only company that could.
OrvalWintermute 1y ago
Japan is our ally.
- linuxhansl 1y ago
  Not much longer if we continue as we do.
- blooalien 1y ago
  We still have allies?
- pphysch 1y ago
  More importantly, we militarily occupy Japan.
  - tengwar2 1y ago
    One general's occupation is another's hostage situation.
- dyauspitr 1y ago
  We won’t have any allies left at the end of next year besides maybe Russia and Israel.

hinkley 1y ago

Amd64 has other vendors.

scarface_74 1y ago

I hate everything that Cook is doing to kiss up to Trump and he did something similar during the first administration by letting Trump brag about final assembly of low selling Mac Pros was happening in the US. But this is the country that the US wants (said as a born and bred US citizen) these are the results of it. Every CEO is kissing Trumps ass because that’s the only way you get ahead in the US now. The media, the other two branches, colleges, tech companies etc have all bent a knee and bribed the President in one way or the other.

everfrustrated 1y ago
[flagged]
- scarface_74 1y ago
  Hint: my user name will give you a clue about my age.
dylan604 1y ago
The fact he allowed Tim Apple to just hang out there was telling
crinkly 1y ago
I think Tim is only kissing ass because the desk trinket is cheap and the investment will take time to materialise, probably after this presidency. And Apple will be around longer than trump will be alive. I’m sure it’s killing him as much as us.
- beej71 1y ago
  > I’m sure it’s killing him as much as us. I'm not. If someone were playing the pure numbers, I'll bet they'd have some exactly this. It's how you maximize profit under Trump.
  - crinkly 1y ago
    That’s his job. He’s doing it.

dylan604 1y ago

Does it being "designed in California" but "made in Taiwan" really make a difference? If Taiwan was to be invaded and TSMC follows through with their threat of destroying all of the fabs, Apple's home-woven basket wouldn't be worth much at all

seszett 1y ago
If the US or the Netherlands were being invaded that world also wreak havoc, but how is that related to the links between China and Intel's CEO?
- dylan604 1y ago
  Invading the US or Netherlands would not impact chip production. How are you not able to grasp that?
  - nerdsniper 1y ago
    Besides missing the point, this is a bad argument. ASML manufactures the machines that TSMC uses to produce chips - they have an even more critical and irreplaceable role in chip production than Taiwan does. ASML is headquartered in Veldhoven, NL. That would absolutely affect chip production - no new nodes, no replacement parts. There are other critical technologies for semiconductor manufacturing made in USA as well.
    - selimthegrim 1y ago
      They are partially made in San Diego.