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I really don't like this analogy, and I really don't like the premise of this article. Writing software is only so scalable. It doesn't matter all of the short

I really don't like this analogy, and I really don't like the premise of this article. Writing software is only so scalable. It doesn't matter all of the shortcuts we take, like Electron and JavaScript. There are only so many engineers with so much time, and there are abundantly many problems to solve. A better analogy would be to look at what's happening to AI images and video. Those have 10,000x'd the fundamental cost savings, time savings, and personnel requirements. It's an industrialization moment. As a filmmaker who has made several photons-on-glass films, this is a game changer and lifts the entire creative industry to a level where individuals can outdo Pixar. That is the lens with which to look at what AI will do to software. We're going from hand-carving stone wheels to the Model T. This is all just getting started. We've barely used what the models of today offer us.

MarkusQ 1y ago
Totally agree with the core of your position. But the two perspectives are complementary, and perhaps even more deeply linked. Initial attempts to alleviate any shortage are likely to result in a decrease in quality; initial attempts to improve quality are likely to reduce variability and thus variety. My point (and my reading of the article) is that we're at the stage where we've figured out how to turn out enough Hostess Twinkies that "let them eat cake!" is a viable option, and starvation is being driven back. This is definite progress, but also highlights previous failures and future work.
armitron 1y ago
This is a massive cope. AI image/video slop is still slop. Yes it's getting better, but it's still better .. slop. Unless radical new breakthroughs are made, the current LLM paradigm will not outdo Pixar or any other apex of human creativity. It'll always be instantly recognizable, as slop. And if we allow it to take over society, we'll end up with a society that's also slop. Netflixification/marvelization only much much worse..
- echelon 1y ago
  > This is a massive cope. AI image/video slop is still slop. Slop content is slop content, AI or not. You don't need an AI to make slop. We've always had films like "The Room", it's just that the financial and time constraints put an upper bound on how much slop was created. AI makes creation more accessible. You've got Reddit for image and video now, essentially. You are biased by media narratives and slop content you're encountering on social media. I work in the industry and professionals are using AI models in ways you aren't even aware of. I guarantee you can't identify all AI content. > And if we allow it to take over society, we'll end up with a society that's also slop. Netflixification/marvelization only much much worse.. Auteurs and artists aren't going anywhere. These tools enable the 50,000 annual film students to sustainably find autonomy, where previously there wasn't any.
  - cestith 1y ago
    Scaling the production of almost good things by individuals that used to take just as many people and just as big a budget as a really nice major feature film is certainly full of use cases for education, training, portfolios of work, and pitches of the content.
- card_zero 1y ago
  Improving every year, it approaches the asymptote of being almost any good.
- kbelder 1y ago
  He didn't say LLMs can outdo Pixar. That's ridiculous and they are nowhere near that level. He said that LLMs are at the point "where individuals can outdo Pixar." And that's very possible. The output of a talented individual with the assistance of AI is vastly better than the output of AI alone.
  - armitron 1y ago
    This is a very reductionist take that's to be expected from a software engineer but most definitely something that an artistic person would never utter. The creative process doesn't scale in the way that software engineers imagine. Coming up with genuine new ideas or magical moments of "synthesis" doesn't emerge from throwing lots of commodified tools together and calling it a day. So far we haven't seen a single iota of creative art coming out of LLMs. Zip. Nada. It's all smoke and mirrors in that we get better and better veneers on top of bad copies of actual art that humans have previously created. The veneers are improving but there is no substance underneath. It's still slop. I don't want to live in a society that doesn't care about substance but instead worships the veneer. Yet this is the place that the current LLMs are taking us.
    - echelon 1y ago
      I'm not talking about LLMs. I'm talking about image and video diffusion models. Editors, VFX artists, and studios big and small are already using the tools. I'm in this industry. They're widely deployed as we speak.

MarkusQ 1y ago

Totally agree with the core of your position. But the two perspectives are complementary, and perhaps even more deeply linked. Initial attempts to alleviate any shortage are likely to result in a decrease in quality; initial attempts to improve quality are likely to reduce variability and thus variety. My point (and my reading of the article) is that we're at the stage where we've figured out how to turn out enough Hostess Twinkies that "let them eat cake!" is a viable option, and starvation is being driven back. This is definite progress, but also highlights previous failures and future work.

armitron 1y ago

This is a massive cope. AI image/video slop is still slop. Yes it's getting better, but it's still better .. slop. Unless radical new breakthroughs are made, the current LLM paradigm will not outdo Pixar or any other apex of human creativity. It'll always be instantly recognizable, as slop. And if we allow it to take over society, we'll end up with a society that's also slop. Netflixification/marvelization only much much worse..

echelon 1y ago
> This is a massive cope. AI image/video slop is still slop. Slop content is slop content, AI or not. You don't need an AI to make slop. We've always had films like "The Room", it's just that the financial and time constraints put an upper bound on how much slop was created. AI makes creation more accessible. You've got Reddit for image and video now, essentially. You are biased by media narratives and slop content you're encountering on social media. I work in the industry and professionals are using AI models in ways you aren't even aware of. I guarantee you can't identify all AI content. > And if we allow it to take over society, we'll end up with a society that's also slop. Netflixification/marvelization only much much worse.. Auteurs and artists aren't going anywhere. These tools enable the 50,000 annual film students to sustainably find autonomy, where previously there wasn't any.
- cestith 1y ago
  Scaling the production of almost good things by individuals that used to take just as many people and just as big a budget as a really nice major feature film is certainly full of use cases for education, training, portfolios of work, and pitches of the content.
card_zero 1y ago
Improving every year, it approaches the asymptote of being almost any good.
kbelder 1y ago
He didn't say LLMs can outdo Pixar. That's ridiculous and they are nowhere near that level. He said that LLMs are at the point "where individuals can outdo Pixar." And that's very possible. The output of a talented individual with the assistance of AI is vastly better than the output of AI alone.
- armitron 1y ago
  This is a very reductionist take that's to be expected from a software engineer but most definitely something that an artistic person would never utter. The creative process doesn't scale in the way that software engineers imagine. Coming up with genuine new ideas or magical moments of "synthesis" doesn't emerge from throwing lots of commodified tools together and calling it a day. So far we haven't seen a single iota of creative art coming out of LLMs. Zip. Nada. It's all smoke and mirrors in that we get better and better veneers on top of bad copies of actual art that humans have previously created. The veneers are improving but there is no substance underneath. It's still slop. I don't want to live in a society that doesn't care about substance but instead worships the veneer. Yet this is the place that the current LLMs are taking us.
  - echelon 1y ago
    I'm not talking about LLMs. I'm talking about image and video diffusion models. Editors, VFX artists, and studios big and small are already using the tools. I'm in this industry. They're widely deployed as we speak.