So yeah, we are talking about different things. Your position sounds cogent and may well be a more accurate description of Hungarian (e.g. that its long/short

So yeah, we are talking about different things. Your position sounds cogent and may well be a more accurate description of Hungarian (e.g. that its long/short vowels are more like Latin than English). I don't know Hungarian, so I can't say. The rest of this thread is consistent with people assuming the broader definition of long/short.