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That being said, AGI is not a necessary requirement for AI to be totally world-changing Yeah. I don't think I actually want AGI? Even setting aside the moral/p
by JohnBooty 1y ago
That being said, AGI is not a necessary requirement for AI to be totally world-changing
Yeah. I don't think I actually want AGI? Even setting aside the moral/philosophical/etc "big picture" issues I don't think I even want that from a purely practical standpoint.
I think I want various forms of AI that are more focused on specific domains. I want AI tools, not companions or peers or (gulp) masters.
(Then again, people thought they wanted faster horses before they rolled out the Model T)
- goatlover 1y agoI don't think the public wants AGI either. Some enthusiasts and tech bros want it for questionable reasons such as replacing labor and becoming even richer.
- kergonath 1y agoFor some it’s a religion. It’s frightening to hear Sam Altman or Peter Thiel talk about it. These people have a messiah complex and are driven by more than just greed (though there is also plenty of that).
- mattgreenrocks 1y agoThere’s a real anti-human bent to some of the AI maximalists, as well. It’s like a resentment over other people accruing skills that are recognized and they grow in. Hence the insistence on “democratizing” art and music production.
- skydhash 1y agoAs someone who have dabbled in drawing and tried to learn the guitar, those skills are hard to get. It takes times to get decent and a touch of brilliance to get really good. In contrast learning enough to know you’re not good yet (and probably never will be) is actually easy. But now I know enough to enjoy real masters going at it and fantasize sometimes.
- mattgreenrocks 1y agoIt’s funny you say that — those are two things I was and am really into! For me I never felt like I had fun with guitar until I found the right teacher. That took a long time. Now I’m starting to hit flow state in practice sessions which just feeds the desire to play more.
- fragmede 1y agoDon't they? Is everyone who doesn't want to do chores and would rather have a robot do it for them a tech bro? I do the dishes in my apartment and the rest of my chores but to be completely honest, I'd rather not have to.
- aianus 1y agoPretty sure a majority of regular people don't want to go to work and would be happy to see their jobs automated away provided their material quality of life didn't go down.
- williamdclt 1y ago> happy to see their jobs automated away provided their material quality of life didn't go down Sure but literally _who_ is planning for this? Not any of the AI players, no government, no major political party anywhere. There's no incentive in our society that's set up for this to happen.
- lazide 1y agoThere is bullshit to try to placate the masses - but the reality of course is nearly everyone will definitely suffer material impacts to quality of life. For exactly the reasons you mention.
- resters 1y agoThis is a good and often overlooked point. Ai will be more like domesticated pets, their utility functions tightly coupled to human use cases.
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- therockhead 1y agoWho’s left to buy the stuff they make if no one has a job ?
- ModernMech 1y agoImagine you're super rich and you view everyone else as a mindless NPC who can be replaced by AI and robots. If you believe that to be true, then it should also be true that once you have AI and robots, you can get rid of most everyone else, and have the AI robots support you. You can be the king. The people you let live will be your vassals. And the AI robots will be your peasant slave army. You won't have to sell anything to anyone because they will pay you tribute to be allowed to live. You don't sell to them, you tax them and take their output. It's kind of like being a CEO but the power dynamic is mainlined so it hits stronger.
- indigodaddy 1y agoBut what exactly is creating wealth at this point? Who is paying for the AI/AI robots (besides the ultrarich for they're own lifestyle) if no one is working? What happens to the economy and all of the rich people's money (that is probably just $ on paper and may come crashing down soon at this point?). I'm definitely not an economics person but I just don't see how this new world sustains.
- ModernMech 1y agoIt doesn't sustain, it's not supposed to. Techno feudalism is an indulgent fantasy and it's only becoming reality because a capitalist society aligns along the desires of capital owners. We are not doing it because it's a good idea or sustainable. This is their power fantasy we are living out, and its not sustainable, it'll never be achieved, but we're going to spend unlimited money trying. Also I will note that this is happening along with a simultaneous push to bring back actual slavery and child labor. So a lot of the answers to "how will this work, the numbers don't add up" will be tried and true exploitation.
- Fr0styMatt88 1y agoYeah, whenever I think of an AGI as a coding assistant I wonder “will it just have days where it’s not in the mood to code just like I do?”.
- aatd86 1y agothose "low-energy" days haha
- rodonn 1y agoYes they do: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1ljery5/gemini_just_quit/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1ljery5/gemini_just...
- rat9988 1y agoThis is most likely fake
- 9rx 1y agoThat's the feeling I get when I try to use LLMs for coding today. Every once in a blue moon it will shock me at how great the result is, I get the "whoa! it is finally here" sensation, but then the next day it is back to square one and I may as well hire a toddler to do the job instead. I often wonder if it is on purpose; like a slot machine — the thrill of the occasional win keeps you coming back to try again.
- Maxion 1y agoIf it's truly an AGI it would just ask to talk to your boss as the whole project is a drain on humanity and your own soul.
- fragmede 1y agoWe don't have a rigorous definition for AGI, so talking about whether or not we've achieved it, or what it means if we have, seems kind of pointless. If I can tell an AI to find me something to do next weekend and it goes off and does a web search and it gives me a list of options and it'll buy tickets for me, does it matter if it meets some ill-defined bar of AGI, as long as I'm willing to pay for it?
- ActorNightly 1y agoThe problem is that there is really like no middle ground. You either get essentially very fancy search engines which is the current slew of models (along with manually coded processing loops in the form of agents), which all fall into the same valley of explicit development and patching, which solves for known issues. Or you get something that can actually reason, which means it can solve for unknown issues, which means it can be very powerful. But this is something that we aren't even close to figuring out. There is a limit to power though - in general it seems that reality is full of non computationally reducible processes, which means that an AI will have to simulate reality faster than reality in parallel. So all powerful all knowing AGI is likely impossible. But something that can reason is going to be very useful because it can figure things out that haven't been explicitly trained on.
- jp_nc 1y agoI don’t know… Travis Kalanick said he’s doing “vibe physics” sessions with MechaHitler approaching the boundaries of quantum physics. "I'll go down this thread with GPT or Grok and I'll start to get to the edge of what's known in quantum physics and then I'm doing the equivalent of vibe coding, except it's vibe physics"
- 4ndrewl 1y agoHow would he even know? I mean he's not a published academic in any field let alone in quantum physics. I feel the same when I read one of Carlos Ravelli's pop-sci books, but I have fewer followers.
- mattgreenrocks 1y agoHe doesn’t. I think it’s the same mental phenomena that Gell-Mann Amnesia works off of. That interview is practically radioactive levels of cringe for several reasons. This is an excellent takedown of it: https://youtu.be/TMoz3gSXBcY?feature=shared https://youtu.be/TMoz3gSXBcY?feature=shared
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- rapind 1y agoOpenAI wants AGI, or at least something they can argue is AGI because it changes their relationship with Microsoft. That's what I remember, although I don't really stay up to date (https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-and-openais-agi-fight-is-bigger-than-a-contract/ https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-and-openais-agi-fight-...). As long as this is the case though I would expect Altman will be hyping up AGI a lot, regardless of it's veracity.
- SecretDreams 1y agoTheir relationship with Microsoft is already over afaik.
- senectus1 1y agoDidnt MS buy 49% of them?
- watson 1y agoYes MS owns 49% of OpenAI
- SecretDreams 1y agoYes, but MSFT has been making substantial moves to align themselves as an openai competitor. The relationship is presently fractured and it's a matter of time before it's a proper split.
- weebull 1y agoMicrosoft is still supporting them by supplying $10bn in compute resources at cost. That's a huge recurring investment.
- quatonion 1y agoThat is just a made up story that gets passed around with nobody ever stopping to obtain formal verification. The image of the whole AI industry is mostly an illusion designed for tight narrative control. Notice how despite all the bickering and tittle tattle in the news, nothing ever happens. When you frame it this way, things make a lot more sense.
- SecretDreams 1y ago> I want AI tools, not companions or peers or (gulp) masters. This might be because you're a balanced individual irl with possibly a strong social circle. There are many many individuals who do not have those things and it's probably, objectively, late for them as adults to develop. They would happily take on an agi companion.. or master. Even for myself, I wouldn't mind a TARS.
- timeon 1y agoEven those companies would not want AGI. First think it would do would be creating an union.
- flir 1y agoThere's a Bruce Sterling book with a throwaway line about the Pentagon going nuts because every time they create an AGI, it immediately converts to Islam.