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Police are a volatile, uncontrollable solution for anything other than white collar crime. If you introduce police into a situation where your life ot belonging

Police are a volatile, uncontrollable solution for anything other than white collar crime. If you introduce police into a situation where your life ot belongings aren't in immediate danger, you should be prepared for them to make someone miserable or hurt someone and you're culpable if they do.

1718627440 1y ago
Police exists to deescalate conflicts and prevent harm. If they don't you should file a disciplinary complaint.
- Hizonner 1y ago
  > Police exists to deescalate conflicts and prevent harm. Somebody should tell them that. > If they don't you should file a disciplinary complaint. ... which will be ignored. They may or may not laugh in your face. I wish I lived in your dream world.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    They regularly get education on how to deescalate. At least the media reports that. Also police officers get prosecuted for misconduct or promotion of right-wing ideology. Not every country has a weird dysfunctional police.
    - soulofmischief 1y ago
      I don't know who would laugh at this more in my state, the criminals or the police themselves. I was personally given a maximum sentence of 6 months in jail as an underage, first-time offender because a police officer who had been stalking my friend group planted weed on me at the scene of an accident. I was denied the right to a trial by jury, they refused to let me out of jail until I'd signed a paper giving up that right. I was homeless and needed to graduate high school, so I had no choice. My defense attorney was then forced off my case so that I could be given another attorney under the thumb of the prosecutor and judge's racket, and so this was never addressed. Seven cops came up one after another and gave wildly different testimonies of what happened, then the judge gave me my sentence because "I think you're lying". When I moved to appeal, my compromised attorney refused to let me, saying, and I quote, "The judge is my boss. If I let you appeal his decision, he'll make my life miserable." See, the prosecution was pissed off that I tried to fight my charges, and so they worked with the judge to give me maximum possible jail time, despite being a homeless kid who had never been arrested before. And the officer who stalked me, planted weed on me and arrested me is a known methamphetamine producer and distributor. I have personally witnessed her roll up in her cop car with a toothless old woman in the passenger seat, and watched that old woman grab as many boxes of pseudoephedrine as she legally could and bring them back to the cop car. This is called smurfing. Presumably it was on a day when her regular chemical supplier was unavailable, and presumably they hit several such stores that day in order to amass a large supply. Some people I know literally murdered her brother over a meth dispute, and the police found a giant meth lab on his property. Oh, and the mayor was the prosecutor's dad. So, can't tell the DA, can't tell the mayor... Maybe the state police? No, they work with them. FBI? No, I have left anonymous tips several times and nothing ever came of it. The only investigation I ever caught wind of mysteriously dissipated. I even went to journalists, but no one took it seriously and those who did left it alone. Everyone in that town knows the racket. Everyone. The mayor retired a few years ago, the prosecutor is good friends with my extremely abusive grandfather, and no one will ever answer for my mistreatment.
      - 1718627440 1y ago
        Sometimes I think, maybe sending the worst criminals, the most dangerous heretics and the poor to another continent with rich resources wasn't the smartest ideas of the Europeans. Sure it helped get rid of problems in the short term, but is now centuries later starting to bite us.
      - throawaywpg 1y ago
        stuff like this is why I want to move to Europe
- kelseyfrog 1y ago
  Why would we believe that an organization's existence is something that it routinely and consistently fails at? Are we delusional?
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    The police officers I experience are quite calm and seam reasonable. Sure there are also allegedly incidents at some demonstrations. But those are demonstrations I expect to be violent without police intervention.
    - kelseyfrog 1y ago
      How would you determine if your experience was an outlier?
      - 1718627440 1y ago
        I don't. It just shows that the police doesn't need to be escalating and we shouldn't shrug and accept it as it is. > Police are a volatile, uncontrollable solution No they don't and shouldn't be. > If you introduce police into a situation I think informing the police about a dangerous attitude in some child isn't the wrong solution. The police not showing up at the parent's place and sending a therapist, but instead treating a child like a criminal adult is criminally neglect. Also right here in the comments we have somebody mentioning that people behave how you treat them. That doesn't apply soly to children. If you treat the police like a militia and don't show respect they will behave like that to you.
        soulofmischief 1y ago
        I am not required to respect the police. They are required to respect me, a democratic citizen who has authorized their right to exist－not the other way around. > I think informing the police about a dangerous attitude in some child isn't the wrong solution I was regularly beaten at home by religious zealots, before finally being kicked out onto the street and becoming homeless at 16. The police were over at my house every three weeks or less, constantly threatening me with foster care and juvie if I didn't respect my grandfather's right to beat me. The man would routinely make me choose a weapon, often but not always a belt. He would then beat me savagely with the metal buckle like a whip, all over my body, until I would stop crying, because "men do not cry, I'll teach you how to be a man", and "I'll give you something to cry about". Every ounce of state intervention made it worse, because of police and administrative corruption. Don't even get me started on how they surveilled me through my school. Yeah, we do have ideals. And regulations, which... don't always match those ideals. And then we have reality, which... doesn't always match regulations. To ignore reality and say that the regulations are the true reality is honestly a very ignorant and dangerous thing to do, especially when you try to instill this perspective into others.
- NoGravitas 1y ago
  To whom? "We have investigated the complaint against ourselves and found that we were not at fault."
- potato3732842 1y ago
  What? What in the hell? They exist for nothing of the sort. Police exist to enforce the laws within specific parameters. They are basically a modern formalized take on midlevel men at arms. They mostly only de-escalate conflicts and prevent harm incidentally.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    And what do you thing the law is? It's a written agreement, because even if it doesn't give justice in every situation, it is better to peacefully agree on something instead of constantly fighting over everything. In other words a deescalation measurement. A concept of a written law is very different from a rule by decrees and the will of the ruler. The difference is that deciding whether something is lawful is outside of the ruler or the enforcer. (i.e. separation of powers) This is what differentiates a liberal democracy from a dictatorship, but also 19th century and modern monarchies from absolutism. So no police is not modern men-at-arms.

1718627440 1y ago

Police exists to deescalate conflicts and prevent harm. If they don't you should file a disciplinary complaint.

Hizonner 1y ago
> Police exists to deescalate conflicts and prevent harm. Somebody should tell them that. > If they don't you should file a disciplinary complaint. ... which will be ignored. They may or may not laugh in your face. I wish I lived in your dream world.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  They regularly get education on how to deescalate. At least the media reports that. Also police officers get prosecuted for misconduct or promotion of right-wing ideology. Not every country has a weird dysfunctional police.
  - soulofmischief 1y ago
    I don't know who would laugh at this more in my state, the criminals or the police themselves. I was personally given a maximum sentence of 6 months in jail as an underage, first-time offender because a police officer who had been stalking my friend group planted weed on me at the scene of an accident. I was denied the right to a trial by jury, they refused to let me out of jail until I'd signed a paper giving up that right. I was homeless and needed to graduate high school, so I had no choice. My defense attorney was then forced off my case so that I could be given another attorney under the thumb of the prosecutor and judge's racket, and so this was never addressed. Seven cops came up one after another and gave wildly different testimonies of what happened, then the judge gave me my sentence because "I think you're lying". When I moved to appeal, my compromised attorney refused to let me, saying, and I quote, "The judge is my boss. If I let you appeal his decision, he'll make my life miserable." See, the prosecution was pissed off that I tried to fight my charges, and so they worked with the judge to give me maximum possible jail time, despite being a homeless kid who had never been arrested before. And the officer who stalked me, planted weed on me and arrested me is a known methamphetamine producer and distributor. I have personally witnessed her roll up in her cop car with a toothless old woman in the passenger seat, and watched that old woman grab as many boxes of pseudoephedrine as she legally could and bring them back to the cop car. This is called smurfing. Presumably it was on a day when her regular chemical supplier was unavailable, and presumably they hit several such stores that day in order to amass a large supply. Some people I know literally murdered her brother over a meth dispute, and the police found a giant meth lab on his property. Oh, and the mayor was the prosecutor's dad. So, can't tell the DA, can't tell the mayor... Maybe the state police? No, they work with them. FBI? No, I have left anonymous tips several times and nothing ever came of it. The only investigation I ever caught wind of mysteriously dissipated. I even went to journalists, but no one took it seriously and those who did left it alone. Everyone in that town knows the racket. Everyone. The mayor retired a few years ago, the prosecutor is good friends with my extremely abusive grandfather, and no one will ever answer for my mistreatment.
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      Sometimes I think, maybe sending the worst criminals, the most dangerous heretics and the poor to another continent with rich resources wasn't the smartest ideas of the Europeans. Sure it helped get rid of problems in the short term, but is now centuries later starting to bite us.
    - throawaywpg 1y ago
      stuff like this is why I want to move to Europe
kelseyfrog 1y ago
Why would we believe that an organization's existence is something that it routinely and consistently fails at? Are we delusional?
- 1718627440 1y ago
  The police officers I experience are quite calm and seam reasonable. Sure there are also allegedly incidents at some demonstrations. But those are demonstrations I expect to be violent without police intervention.
  - kelseyfrog 1y ago
    How would you determine if your experience was an outlier?
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      I don't. It just shows that the police doesn't need to be escalating and we shouldn't shrug and accept it as it is. > Police are a volatile, uncontrollable solution No they don't and shouldn't be. > If you introduce police into a situation I think informing the police about a dangerous attitude in some child isn't the wrong solution. The police not showing up at the parent's place and sending a therapist, but instead treating a child like a criminal adult is criminally neglect. Also right here in the comments we have somebody mentioning that people behave how you treat them. That doesn't apply soly to children. If you treat the police like a militia and don't show respect they will behave like that to you.
      - soulofmischief 1y ago
        I am not required to respect the police. They are required to respect me, a democratic citizen who has authorized their right to exist－not the other way around. > I think informing the police about a dangerous attitude in some child isn't the wrong solution I was regularly beaten at home by religious zealots, before finally being kicked out onto the street and becoming homeless at 16. The police were over at my house every three weeks or less, constantly threatening me with foster care and juvie if I didn't respect my grandfather's right to beat me. The man would routinely make me choose a weapon, often but not always a belt. He would then beat me savagely with the metal buckle like a whip, all over my body, until I would stop crying, because "men do not cry, I'll teach you how to be a man", and "I'll give you something to cry about". Every ounce of state intervention made it worse, because of police and administrative corruption. Don't even get me started on how they surveilled me through my school. Yeah, we do have ideals. And regulations, which... don't always match those ideals. And then we have reality, which... doesn't always match regulations. To ignore reality and say that the regulations are the true reality is honestly a very ignorant and dangerous thing to do, especially when you try to instill this perspective into others.
NoGravitas 1y ago
To whom? "We have investigated the complaint against ourselves and found that we were not at fault."
potato3732842 1y ago
What? What in the hell? They exist for nothing of the sort. Police exist to enforce the laws within specific parameters. They are basically a modern formalized take on midlevel men at arms. They mostly only de-escalate conflicts and prevent harm incidentally.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  And what do you thing the law is? It's a written agreement, because even if it doesn't give justice in every situation, it is better to peacefully agree on something instead of constantly fighting over everything. In other words a deescalation measurement. A concept of a written law is very different from a rule by decrees and the will of the ruler. The difference is that deciding whether something is lawful is outside of the ruler or the enforcer. (i.e. separation of powers) This is what differentiates a liberal democracy from a dictatorship, but also 19th century and modern monarchies from absolutism. So no police is not modern men-at-arms.