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AI represents a move to the massive centralization of information into a few sources. History (or it's "interpreters") should never be in the hands of these fe

by krunck 1y ago

AI represents a move to the massive centralization of information into a few sources. History (or it's "interpreters") should never be in the hands of these few powerful entities aligned with even more powerful governments.

SilverElfin 1y ago
This. Any centralization or gate keeping of speech and knowledge is a danger to free societies. The tech is moving too fast for politics to keep up. I wonder if the only fix is to elect younger people, even if they’re missing other types of knowledge and experience.
saubeidl 1y ago
AI is the perfect propaganda technology. I don't believe the current race to build AI is actually about any productivity gains (which are questionable at best). I believe the true purpose of the outsized AI investments is to make sure the universal answer machine will give answers that conform to the ideology of the ruling class. You can read hints of that in statements like the Trump AI Action Plan [0], but also things like the Llama 4 announcement. [1] [0] "Ensure that Frontier AI Protects Free Speech and American Values" - https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Americas-AI-Action-Plan.pdf https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Americ... [1] "It’s well-known that all leading LLMs have had issues with bias—specifically, they historically have leaned left when it comes to debated political and social topics. This is due to the types of training data available on the internet." https://ai.meta.com/blog/llama-4-multimodal-intelligence/ https://ai.meta.com/blog/llama-4-multimodal-intelligence/
- add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
  The fact that it can both displace vast amounts of labor and also control information for people who won't bother with primary sources anymore is what explains (for me) the endless funding and desperation to make it happen.
- mapontosevenths 1y ago
  "This is due to the types of training data available on the internet." I'd love to see them prove this, but they can't.
  - sofixa 1y ago
    Why not? The fact that even the overtly Nazi Musk led xAI's Grok can't shake a "left" bias (left for the US political spectrum, which is to the right of the centre in most other developed countries) proves this wrong. The data, and reality, tend to lean "left" (again, on the American spectrum). It isn't leftists in the US talking about controlling the weather, Haitians eating pets, proposing to nuke hurricanes, dismissing the Holocaust, denying climate change exists, and other such objectively wrong things. This saying exists for a reason: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?redirect=no&title=Reality_has_a_well_known_liberal_bias https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?redirect=no&title=Reality_has_a_...
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      Maybe it's not a left bias in the AI, but a right bias in the ruling class instead?
      - throwawayqqq11 1y ago
        Fascism is the most viable option for the ruling class to sustain their status quo in a declining capitalistic world with increasing public unrest. The left, anti-capitalistic narrative therefor needs to scrubbed off the people.

by krunck 1y ago

SilverElfin 1y ago

This. Any centralization or gate keeping of speech and knowledge is a danger to free societies. The tech is moving too fast for politics to keep up. I wonder if the only fix is to elect younger people, even if they’re missing other types of knowledge and experience.

saubeidl 1y ago

AI is the perfect propaganda technology. I don't believe the current race to build AI is actually about any productivity gains (which are questionable at best). I believe the true purpose of the outsized AI investments is to make sure the universal answer machine will give answers that conform to the ideology of the ruling class. You can read hints of that in statements like the Trump AI Action Plan [0], but also things like the Llama 4 announcement. [1] [0] "Ensure that Frontier AI Protects Free Speech and American Values" - https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Americas-AI-Action-Plan.pdf https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Americ... [1] "It’s well-known that all leading LLMs have had issues with bias—specifically, they historically have leaned left when it comes to debated political and social topics. This is due to the types of training data available on the internet." https://ai.meta.com/blog/llama-4-multimodal-intelligence/ https://ai.meta.com/blog/llama-4-multimodal-intelligence/

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
The fact that it can both displace vast amounts of labor and also control information for people who won't bother with primary sources anymore is what explains (for me) the endless funding and desperation to make it happen.
mapontosevenths 1y ago
"This is due to the types of training data available on the internet." I'd love to see them prove this, but they can't.
- sofixa 1y ago
  Why not? The fact that even the overtly Nazi Musk led xAI's Grok can't shake a "left" bias (left for the US political spectrum, which is to the right of the centre in most other developed countries) proves this wrong. The data, and reality, tend to lean "left" (again, on the American spectrum). It isn't leftists in the US talking about controlling the weather, Haitians eating pets, proposing to nuke hurricanes, dismissing the Holocaust, denying climate change exists, and other such objectively wrong things. This saying exists for a reason: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?redirect=no&title=Reality_has_a_well_known_liberal_bias https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?redirect=no&title=Reality_has_a_...
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    Maybe it's not a left bias in the AI, but a right bias in the ruling class instead?
    - throwawayqqq11 1y ago
      Fascism is the most viable option for the ruling class to sustain their status quo in a declining capitalistic world with increasing public unrest. The left, anti-capitalistic narrative therefor needs to scrubbed off the people.