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It's funny how employers try to rationalize this -- take Coinbase, for example: https://www.coinbase.com/blog/how-coinbase-is-embracing-ai-in-recruiting https:/

by bthrn 1y ago

It's funny how employers try to rationalize this -- take Coinbase, for example: https://www.coinbase.com/blog/how-coinbase-is-embracing-ai-in-recruiting https://www.coinbase.com/blog/how-coinbase-is-embracing-ai-i... > While some worry AI will dehumanize the hiring process, we believe the opposite. Deploying AI will enable more quality interactions, more quickly for the candidates who are the best fit for our jobs– without unnecessary administrative tasks or distractions. We fully believe in AI’s ability to build depth and breadth in our selection process, while acknowledging that the road ahead will have its challenges. Let’s face it: the candidates who want to work at Coinbase are as enthusiastic about AI as we are. They, like us, are optimistic about the future of this (and all) technology.

ep103 1y ago
This is prime HR style lying. The response is: Problem statement. Claim that reality is the opposite of the problem statement, with no justification given, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Statement that if reality doesn't match their claim, the worker is at fault. End of statement. Dystopian, infuriating, unethical and immoral.
- MichaelRo 1y ago
  The fact that a communist dictatorship declares itself to be a benevolent people's paradise, doesn't change the brutal reality one bit. And unlike living under a communist dictatorship, we don't have to accept it. I will strongly vote for those who make this shit illegal.
- brushfoot 1y ago
  > While some worry AI will dehumanize the hiring process, we believe the opposite. Look at the language Coinbase uses. Only their view is a "belief." The opposing view is a "worry." Others are motivated by fear. Only holy Coinbase is motivated by love! This is, of course, doublethink. We all know that removing humans from the hiring process is, by definition, dehumanizing. Coinbase's article would have been more palatable if it were truthful: > Some believe AI will dehumanize the hiring process. We agree, and we're SO excited about that! I mean, we aren't in this business to make friends. We're in it to make cold, hard cash. And the less we have to interact with boring, messy human beings along the way, the better! If you're cold, calculating and transactional like us, sign on the dotted line, and let's make some dough! But if they were that truthful, fun, and straightforward, they'd probably be more social, and they wouldn't have this dehumanizing hiring process to begin with.
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    Companies shouldn't be making business decisions based on "belief" or "worry." Show the research that demonstrates which one is actually true.
    - simmerup 1y ago
      Why would you expect them to show you the research? They have no reason. to do so and probably believe you’ll find it distasteful if they did
dorian-graph 1y ago
> Let’s face it: the candidates who want to work at Coinbase are as enthusiastic about AI as we are. They, like us, are optimistic about the future of this (and all) technology. Yet Anthropic didn't want people to use AI as part of interviewing for them.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  This is the answer -- AI interviewers should only get AI agents of candidates.
  - JohnCClarke 1y ago
    Indeed. Pretty soon all jobs will be filled by bots.
- rollcat 1y ago
  Exactly. A good interview process is marked by minimising the asymmetry. You're two parties getting to know each other, with the aim of working out a mutually beneficial deal. If I'm not allowed a level ground, I will not play.
inanutshellus 1y ago
"Let's face it: the only people that should pass this interview are those that build an AI response bot to pass the test for them. Then we can both get to talking human-to-human."
- javcasas 1y ago
  > Then we can both get to talking human-to-human. No. That's when you get to talk to my second AI.
miltonlost 1y ago
Well, Coinbase is crypto, right? THey've already made a horrible ehtical decision by getting into that, so might as well double down and add in some biased AI. The candidates who want to work at Coinbase are as enthusiastic as any grift as they are.
throwawayoldie 1y ago
"While some worry AI will dehumanize the hiring process, we believe the opposite." "AI will create jobs instead of destroying them." "AI will solve the climate crisis despite doubling or tripling humanity's energy footprint." At some point it became acceptable to lie to the public with a straight face.
- phaser 1y ago
  “war is peace”, “ignorance is strength”…
  - throwawayoldie 1y ago
    Also reminiscent of the old Onion article from the Bush Jr. era invasion of Iraq: "This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won’t" https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296/ https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mi...
- the__alchemist 1y ago
  This is some I've thought about more lately. It's taboo to use the word "lie" and accuse people of lying... I am attempting to use it in my vocabulary more and more, when appropriate. Which is surprisingly often.
  - throwawayoldie 1y ago
    I've noticed the word "bullshit" is making a big comeback, which is encouraging to me. Because, good Lord, is there ever so much bullshit.
    - the__alchemist 1y ago
      Oh that's a good one too!
    - withinboredom 1y ago
syngrog66 1y ago
Coinbase is a biz built by people willing to sell shovels to the cryptocurrency speculators. They've already filtered themselves as folks with questionable morals. They're like a cigarette manufaturer.
- rk06 1y ago
  seconded, I saw their job description and decided not to apply. i don't know what they are thinking, but I would not bat an eye if they added that employees are expected to "work 80h a week", and not take any of "unlimited PTO".
tines 1y ago
Are these interviews over video? If so, I guarantee we’ll see reports of AI rating nonwhite candidates lower, and nobody will do anything about it because nobody will care.
KrakenEng 1y ago
I'm not surprised. I have colleagues who worked there and they have a very toxic work culture.
beefnugs 1y ago
I mean if these words are true, then all their candidates will work hard to game the system with their own AI-abusing AIs of their own. So hopefully they will be inundated with a thousand applicants and only one or two respond at all and say "now you have to beat my other 100 offers, begin"
johnnyanmac 1y ago
>Let’s face it: the candidates who want to work at Coinbase are as enthusiastic about AI as we are. Perhaps. But their enthusiasm is not to talk to themselves alone int a room to a chatbot, but to work on solving interesting problems. Hopefully alongside other enthusiastic people.

by bthrn 1y ago

ep103 1y ago

This is prime HR style lying. The response is: Problem statement. Claim that reality is the opposite of the problem statement, with no justification given, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Statement that if reality doesn't match their claim, the worker is at fault. End of statement. Dystopian, infuriating, unethical and immoral.

MichaelRo 1y ago
The fact that a communist dictatorship declares itself to be a benevolent people's paradise, doesn't change the brutal reality one bit. And unlike living under a communist dictatorship, we don't have to accept it. I will strongly vote for those who make this shit illegal.
brushfoot 1y ago
> While some worry AI will dehumanize the hiring process, we believe the opposite. Look at the language Coinbase uses. Only their view is a "belief." The opposing view is a "worry." Others are motivated by fear. Only holy Coinbase is motivated by love! This is, of course, doublethink. We all know that removing humans from the hiring process is, by definition, dehumanizing. Coinbase's article would have been more palatable if it were truthful: > Some believe AI will dehumanize the hiring process. We agree, and we're SO excited about that! I mean, we aren't in this business to make friends. We're in it to make cold, hard cash. And the less we have to interact with boring, messy human beings along the way, the better! If you're cold, calculating and transactional like us, sign on the dotted line, and let's make some dough! But if they were that truthful, fun, and straightforward, they'd probably be more social, and they wouldn't have this dehumanizing hiring process to begin with.
- ryandrake 1y ago
  Companies shouldn't be making business decisions based on "belief" or "worry." Show the research that demonstrates which one is actually true.
  - simmerup 1y ago
    Why would you expect them to show you the research? They have no reason. to do so and probably believe you’ll find it distasteful if they did

dorian-graph 1y ago

> Let’s face it: the candidates who want to work at Coinbase are as enthusiastic about AI as we are. They, like us, are optimistic about the future of this (and all) technology. Yet Anthropic didn't want people to use AI as part of interviewing for them.

ethbr1 1y ago
This is the answer -- AI interviewers should only get AI agents of candidates.
- JohnCClarke 1y ago
  Indeed. Pretty soon all jobs will be filled by bots.
rollcat 1y ago
Exactly. A good interview process is marked by minimising the asymmetry. You're two parties getting to know each other, with the aim of working out a mutually beneficial deal. If I'm not allowed a level ground, I will not play.

inanutshellus 1y ago

"Let's face it: the only people that should pass this interview are those that build an AI response bot to pass the test for them. Then we can both get to talking human-to-human."

javcasas 1y ago
> Then we can both get to talking human-to-human. No. That's when you get to talk to my second AI.

miltonlost 1y ago

Well, Coinbase is crypto, right? THey've already made a horrible ehtical decision by getting into that, so might as well double down and add in some biased AI. The candidates who want to work at Coinbase are as enthusiastic as any grift as they are.

throwawayoldie 1y ago

"While some worry AI will dehumanize the hiring process, we believe the opposite." "AI will create jobs instead of destroying them." "AI will solve the climate crisis despite doubling or tripling humanity's energy footprint." At some point it became acceptable to lie to the public with a straight face.

phaser 1y ago
“war is peace”, “ignorance is strength”…
- throwawayoldie 1y ago
  Also reminiscent of the old Onion article from the Bush Jr. era invasion of Iraq: "This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won’t" https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296/ https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mi...
the__alchemist 1y ago
This is some I've thought about more lately. It's taboo to use the word "lie" and accuse people of lying... I am attempting to use it in my vocabulary more and more, when appropriate. Which is surprisingly often.
- throwawayoldie 1y ago
  I've noticed the word "bullshit" is making a big comeback, which is encouraging to me. Because, good Lord, is there ever so much bullshit.
  - the__alchemist 1y ago
    Oh that's a good one too!
  - withinboredom 1y ago

syngrog66 1y ago

Coinbase is a biz built by people willing to sell shovels to the cryptocurrency speculators. They've already filtered themselves as folks with questionable morals. They're like a cigarette manufaturer.

rk06 1y ago
seconded, I saw their job description and decided not to apply. i don't know what they are thinking, but I would not bat an eye if they added that employees are expected to "work 80h a week", and not take any of "unlimited PTO".

tines 1y ago

Are these interviews over video? If so, I guarantee we’ll see reports of AI rating nonwhite candidates lower, and nobody will do anything about it because nobody will care.

KrakenEng 1y ago

I'm not surprised. I have colleagues who worked there and they have a very toxic work culture.

beefnugs 1y ago

I mean if these words are true, then all their candidates will work hard to game the system with their own AI-abusing AIs of their own. So hopefully they will be inundated with a thousand applicants and only one or two respond at all and say "now you have to beat my other 100 offers, begin"

johnnyanmac 1y ago

>Let’s face it: the candidates who want to work at Coinbase are as enthusiastic about AI as we are. Perhaps. But their enthusiasm is not to talk to themselves alone int a room to a chatbot, but to work on solving interesting problems. Hopefully alongside other enthusiastic people.