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beacuse traffic is so bad that no cars are really moving on city streets. The artificial safety of overly putting more lights than necessary is slowing down who

by chrz 1y ago

beacuse traffic is so bad that no cars are really moving on city streets. The artificial safety of overly putting more lights than necessary is slowing down whole city and make it safer this way. The poeple and culture as whole is even less safety aware because of over governance and warning signs everywhere

fmbb 1y ago
There is nothing artificial about that. The more you annoy drivers of cars and the less efficient you make streets for car traffic and the more you force them to not trust their surroundings, the safer the streets are for everyone.
- ifwinterco 1y ago
  In theory but in London everyone is driving in a state of incandescent rage due to the non stop traffic lights and restrictions and people sometimes end up doing insane things because they've basically lost their head. There are limits to the "deliberately piss everyone off" strategy
  - louthy 1y ago
    They’re driving at 20mph because the whole of London is a 20mph zone now. So incandescence or not, accidents are still relatively low for a major metropolis.
- bobthepanda 1y ago
  Usually roundabouts are way better for this than excessive stoplighting. With stoplighting you run the risk of basically “the boy who cried wolf” and people becoming numb and starting to run reds.
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    I can't figure out how this would happen. Inside a city I'd expect even with excessive lights there'd still be plenty of cross traffic at red lights and you wouldn't start to think of them as useless and runnable. And inside or outside a city, I expect lights to be equipped with car detection so that main paths stay green whenever possible and when there's no cross traffic it's basically the same as not having a light.
    - bobthepanda 1y ago
      I mean, we saw this when traffic disappeared during COVID and red light running shot up significantly. https://info.oregon.aaa.com/why-did-crashes-spike-during-covid-with-fewer-drivers-on-the-road/ https://info.oregon.aaa.com/why-did-crashes-spike-during-cov... Car detection is certainly not a standard feature of stoplights in the US, and they represent an ongoing expense since you have to maintain the detection loops, pay an outside vendor for software to maintain and modify stoplights, etc. A roundabout is more or less installed and done.

by chrz 1y ago

fmbb 1y ago

There is nothing artificial about that. The more you annoy drivers of cars and the less efficient you make streets for car traffic and the more you force them to not trust their surroundings, the safer the streets are for everyone.

ifwinterco 1y ago
In theory but in London everyone is driving in a state of incandescent rage due to the non stop traffic lights and restrictions and people sometimes end up doing insane things because they've basically lost their head. There are limits to the "deliberately piss everyone off" strategy
- louthy 1y ago
  They’re driving at 20mph because the whole of London is a 20mph zone now. So incandescence or not, accidents are still relatively low for a major metropolis.
bobthepanda 1y ago
Usually roundabouts are way better for this than excessive stoplighting. With stoplighting you run the risk of basically “the boy who cried wolf” and people becoming numb and starting to run reds.
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  I can't figure out how this would happen. Inside a city I'd expect even with excessive lights there'd still be plenty of cross traffic at red lights and you wouldn't start to think of them as useless and runnable. And inside or outside a city, I expect lights to be equipped with car detection so that main paths stay green whenever possible and when there's no cross traffic it's basically the same as not having a light.
  - bobthepanda 1y ago
    I mean, we saw this when traffic disappeared during COVID and red light running shot up significantly. https://info.oregon.aaa.com/why-did-crashes-spike-during-covid-with-fewer-drivers-on-the-road/ https://info.oregon.aaa.com/why-did-crashes-spike-during-cov... Car detection is certainly not a standard feature of stoplights in the US, and they represent an ongoing expense since you have to maintain the detection loops, pay an outside vendor for software to maintain and modify stoplights, etc. A roundabout is more or less installed and done.