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The argument is that if the driver was in a different vehicle he would have done just that, pulled over and picked it up, but because he believed the Tesla was
by naet 1y ago
The argument is that if the driver was in a different vehicle he would have done just that, pulled over and picked it up, but because he believed the Tesla was capable of driving safely on it's own he didn't do so.
Normally I turn the steering wheel when I want to turn my car. If you sold me a car and told me it had technology to make turns automatically without my input then I might let go of the wheel instead of turning it, something I would never have done otherwise. If I then don't turn and slam straight into a wall, am I at fault for trusting what I was sold to be true?
If the driver has heard that their Tesla is capable of autonomous driving, and therefore trusts it to drive itself, there may be a fair argument that Tesla shares in that blame. If it's a completely unreasonable belief (like me believing my 1998 Toyota is capable of self driving) then that argument falls apart. But if Tesla has promoted their self driving feature as being fully functional, used confusing descriptions like "Full Self-Driving", etc, it might become a pretty reasonable argument.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoExcept driver already accepted liability. Also this doesn't stand water today as all new cars have some basic autosteer.
- breadwinner 1y agoNo one else falsely advertises it as "Full Self Driving".
- dzhiurgis 1y agoFSD wasn’t even released at that time.
- MBCook 1y agoSubstitute Autopilot then. No other auto maker uses similar language. Ford and GM use BlueCruise and SuperCruise, clearly implying an improved kind of cruise control.
- juancampa 1y agoAutopilot in an aircraft is basically cruise control, not full self flying.
- MBCook 1y agoThis is such a pointless talking point, it amazes me how pro-Tesla people have latched onto it. It doesn’t matter what it means. It matters what people think it means. This is discussed tons of other places in these comments, and every previous story about Autopilot and FSD here on HN.
- sidibe 1y agoIt also ignores how Tesla promoted "autopilot". Until very recently tesla.com/autopilot just showed that a video saying the driver was only there for legal reasons. Yes maybe technically they meant FSD (for which it's also a lie, and which has a lying name as well) but they were definitely mixing the terms up themselves (and I think the video predated FSD)
- dzhiurgis 1y agoIt’s anti tesla people that bring this whole argument up. Anyone who drives on autopilot for few hours learns immediately of it’s limitations, it’s not an enigma like some try to purport.
- MBCook 1y agoNothing in the article says he had just bought the car. Seems likely he had had it long enough to learn its limitations. Didn’t stop him.
- trog 1y agoFrom what bits I've seen of the trial, at least a chunk of it was devoted to the meaning of the word "autopilot". Tesla even brought in a linguist to argue their case: https://bsky.app/profile/niedermeyer.online/post/3lunfw2s2is26 https://bsky.app/profile/niedermeyer.online/post/3lunfw2s2is...
- ninalanyon 1y agoEvery time I engage Autopilot in my Model S it admonishes me with a notice in the instrument cluster that I am to keep my hands on the wheel. If I don't make it clear the car that I am there and holding on by applying a little rotational force to the wheel at least every fifteen seconds the car will remind me. So how does one conclude the that the car is capable of driving itself? Or is the version of Autopilot in the car in question different in this respect? Autopilot is not autonomous driving and isn't marketed as such; Full Self Driving (FSD) is an extra cost option.
- samrus 1y agoDoes it remind you thay it cant stop at an intersection, or brake to avoid hitting objects? If it did then the person might be more responsible. But elon wouldnt have let the engineers put that in because it goes against his grift
- gamblor956 1y agoThat was the result of a recall which required Tesla to include that warning. Prior to that Autopilot did not include any warnings. This accident occurred in 2019, several years before the recall.
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- ghusto 1y agoThey also said that by putting his foot down on the accelerator, he overrode the feature. He might say he didn't know that's how it worked, but then there's even more fault for performing such a dangerous action not knowing how the thing you think will save you is supposed to be operated.