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I know this is an unpopular take, but if it takes you years to "understand" that something was wrong, probably it wasn't wrong enough for a public accusation.

anonzzzies 1y ago
It doesn't matter anyway; it's a case for the police. Like all the Epstein shit around Stallman/Minsky stuff; it's simply not up to the crowds to do this. If there is actually something it has to be proven in court and otherwise stfu.
Cthulhu_ 1y ago
No actually, it would be; I'm going to pull the "think of the children" card, most victims of CSA don't fully understand what is happening, that it's wrong, and what they should do, especially not in a family setting. This is why a lot of these cases, including the Epstein case or the church cases, take years if not decades to be fully understood and action to be taken on it. The #metoo movement gave victims the push, visibility and protections they needed to stop hiding their abuse / protecting their abusers, sometimes decades after it happens.
- throw310822 1y ago
  > most victims of CSA don't fully understand what is happening Most victims of CSA are minors. No wait: all of them. CSA is a crime precisely because the victims are not able to understand what happens to them and not able to react appropriately. That's the distinction between minors and adults.
  - squigz 1y ago
    So something can be wrong, even if the victims don't realize it's wrong until some time later?
    - throw310822 1y ago
      Yes, minors are expected to be unable to understand, especially in regards to sex. Adults are considered able to navigate sex & relationships and should take responsibility for what they do and what they don't do. There might be exceptional cases (e.g. cults) but I still think that public accusations of abusive behaviour in adult relationships, when they come with such delay, should be put under the utmost scrutiny.

anonzzzies 1y ago

It doesn't matter anyway; it's a case for the police. Like all the Epstein shit around Stallman/Minsky stuff; it's simply not up to the crowds to do this. If there is actually something it has to be proven in court and otherwise stfu.

Cthulhu_ 1y ago

No actually, it would be; I'm going to pull the "think of the children" card, most victims of CSA don't fully understand what is happening, that it's wrong, and what they should do, especially not in a family setting. This is why a lot of these cases, including the Epstein case or the church cases, take years if not decades to be fully understood and action to be taken on it. The #metoo movement gave victims the push, visibility and protections they needed to stop hiding their abuse / protecting their abusers, sometimes decades after it happens.

throw310822 1y ago
> most victims of CSA don't fully understand what is happening Most victims of CSA are minors. No wait: all of them. CSA is a crime precisely because the victims are not able to understand what happens to them and not able to react appropriately. That's the distinction between minors and adults.
- squigz 1y ago
  So something can be wrong, even if the victims don't realize it's wrong until some time later?
  - throw310822 1y ago
    Yes, minors are expected to be unable to understand, especially in regards to sex. Adults are considered able to navigate sex & relationships and should take responsibility for what they do and what they don't do. There might be exceptional cases (e.g. cults) but I still think that public accusations of abusive behaviour in adult relationships, when they come with such delay, should be put under the utmost scrutiny.