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Never underestimate the power of market share. Adobe has had a bunch of competitors but still dominates design.

tonyhart7 1y ago
adobe moat is complex desktop software Figma is a whole lot easier to replace actually you can now actually with a self host OSS that came up with and bring your own api key from antrophic or open ai
- reactordev 1y ago
  While technically, Figma is just a web app tool. Replacing it would be hard. It has a ton of features, it’s well designed, it exports working wireframe mock ups you can use to demonstrate functionality. It’s good software.
  - tonyhart7 1y ago
    Yeah but a lot less complex than adobe suite
    - wltr 1y ago
      Which complexity in general is not a feature, but a mere bug.
      - tonyhart7 1y ago
        You only says this because you are web(only) dev *acting like web world is not broken half the time
        wltr 1y ago
        I say that as someone who knows Photoshop/Illustrator for ~20 years, and Adobe did very little to improve it for almost two decades. It loses to any modern counterpart. Figma, Affinity Suite, Pixelmator Pro, they are much better. So, for me, the complexity of Adobe’s software is rather their sheer incompetence and lack of will to do things better. They think they’re too big to fail, but I hope they’ll just go bankrupt quickly. They deserve it.
- esafak 1y ago
  What kind of a moat is that? Who says "I want complex desktop software!" ?
  - tonyhart7 1y ago
    entire design industry???? like are you sure that there are people out there works using photoshops,premier,illustrator etc that want more complex tool set??? are you sure that these people don't exist??? talk about arrogant
    - esafak 1y ago
      Not a single person wants more complex tools. They want more capable tools maybe but never ever a more complex on. What is the benefit of increasing complexity except to show off? Are you in design? How does increasing complexity benefit you personally?
      - tonyhart7 1y ago
        Yes because their job need it, same reason why all javascript library rewrite themselves into Go,Rust,Zig etc what else do you think they do that ???? and Yes I do design, not only just operate but learn money with it professionally
        esafak 1y ago
        Nobody rewrites software to increase the complexity, but to decrease it. You are either confused, or you don't know the meanings of the words you are using.
        tonyhart7 1y ago
        now because you don't have strong argument, you just nitpicking and pedantic I know you just ragebaiting
echelon 1y ago
Speaking of Adobe! Adobe is going to get absolutely trounced by GenAI. They've got so many competitors coming at them from all angles. Also, innovation capital (engineers at startups) experience outsized rewards at startups when disruption happens. The better engineers will flock to more nimble outfits and reap the benefits. Adobe is a dinosaur.
- reactordev 1y ago
  Adobe has SOOO much money though that it will take a giant force to unseat them. Not to say we shouldn’t keep trying (I love Krita) but they have made sure they’re on the top of the totem pole. Complete with spyware on every designers computer.
  - ptero 1y ago
    This. I heard "gimp is free and will kill Adobe within a year or two" from 1997 or so. As much as I hate Adobe's methods it still wins hands down in UX for image editing. So, as a hobbyist, I have no plans to cancel my subscription. I wish for some real competition in this space, but it will take a LOT of effort to dethrone Adobe. My 2c.
    - echelon 1y ago
      Gimp is an awful app with terrible UX. Adobe has RunwayML, Midjourney, and a hundred other startups chasing after them. The number of things you can do without Adobe is increasing every day.
      - ptero 1y ago
        > Gimp is an awful app with terrible UX. Yes, and it's not clear that those startups will fare better than gimp. Adobe spends inordinate amount of effort to understand the problems that users are solving and make UX that users love. As the result Adobe has tons of money to improve the product. Users curse its business practices, white an occasional "goodbye Adobe" or "FU" messages but keep buying subscriptions. The moat around this should not be underestimated. My 2c.

adobe moat is complex desktop software Figma is a whole lot easier to replace actually you can now actually with a self host OSS that came up with and bring your own api key from antrophic or open ai

reactordev 1y ago
While technically, Figma is just a web app tool. Replacing it would be hard. It has a ton of features, it’s well designed, it exports working wireframe mock ups you can use to demonstrate functionality. It’s good software.
- tonyhart7 1y ago
  Yeah but a lot less complex than adobe suite
  - wltr 1y ago
    Which complexity in general is not a feature, but a mere bug.
    - tonyhart7 1y ago
      You only says this because you are web(only) dev *acting like web world is not broken half the time
      - wltr 1y ago
        I say that as someone who knows Photoshop/Illustrator for ~20 years, and Adobe did very little to improve it for almost two decades. It loses to any modern counterpart. Figma, Affinity Suite, Pixelmator Pro, they are much better. So, for me, the complexity of Adobe’s software is rather their sheer incompetence and lack of will to do things better. They think they’re too big to fail, but I hope they’ll just go bankrupt quickly. They deserve it.
esafak 1y ago
What kind of a moat is that? Who says "I want complex desktop software!" ?
- tonyhart7 1y ago
  entire design industry???? like are you sure that there are people out there works using photoshops,premier,illustrator etc that want more complex tool set??? are you sure that these people don't exist??? talk about arrogant
  - esafak 1y ago
    Not a single person wants more complex tools. They want more capable tools maybe but never ever a more complex on. What is the benefit of increasing complexity except to show off? Are you in design? How does increasing complexity benefit you personally?
    - tonyhart7 1y ago
      Yes because their job need it, same reason why all javascript library rewrite themselves into Go,Rust,Zig etc what else do you think they do that ???? and Yes I do design, not only just operate but learn money with it professionally
      - esafak 1y ago
        Nobody rewrites software to increase the complexity, but to decrease it. You are either confused, or you don't know the meanings of the words you are using.
        tonyhart7 1y ago
        now because you don't have strong argument, you just nitpicking and pedantic I know you just ragebaiting

echelon 1y ago

Speaking of Adobe! Adobe is going to get absolutely trounced by GenAI. They've got so many competitors coming at them from all angles. Also, innovation capital (engineers at startups) experience outsized rewards at startups when disruption happens. The better engineers will flock to more nimble outfits and reap the benefits. Adobe is a dinosaur.

reactordev 1y ago
Adobe has SOOO much money though that it will take a giant force to unseat them. Not to say we shouldn’t keep trying (I love Krita) but they have made sure they’re on the top of the totem pole. Complete with spyware on every designers computer.
- ptero 1y ago
  This. I heard "gimp is free and will kill Adobe within a year or two" from 1997 or so. As much as I hate Adobe's methods it still wins hands down in UX for image editing. So, as a hobbyist, I have no plans to cancel my subscription. I wish for some real competition in this space, but it will take a LOT of effort to dethrone Adobe. My 2c.
  - echelon 1y ago
    Gimp is an awful app with terrible UX. Adobe has RunwayML, Midjourney, and a hundred other startups chasing after them. The number of things you can do without Adobe is increasing every day.
    - ptero 1y ago
      > Gimp is an awful app with terrible UX. Yes, and it's not clear that those startups will fare better than gimp. Adobe spends inordinate amount of effort to understand the problems that users are solving and make UX that users love. As the result Adobe has tons of money to improve the product. Users curse its business practices, white an occasional "goodbye Adobe" or "FU" messages but keep buying subscriptions. The moat around this should not be underestimated. My 2c.