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Honestly, I wouldn't ask Israelis or Palestinians for their opinion. I think the OSN should mandate and using peace forces: - Establish a new, transitional gov

by js8 1y ago

Honestly, I wouldn't ask Israelis or Palestinians for their opinion. I think the OSN should mandate and using peace forces: - Establish a new, transitional government of Israel/Palestine, nominated by the UN - Give citizenship to every Israeli and Palestinian for the whole territory - Mandate a 50/50 ethnic quotas system in the military, police, judiciary and all government institutions, and minimum 30% ethnic quotas in every other employer - Create a Truth and Reconcilliation Commission, modeled after JAR; it would figure out what reparations are needed to each citizen - Mandate both hebrew and arabic as official languages, and teach every kid both in school - Once things would settle down, after 1-2 years, run a new elections but with constitutional provisions (5-10 years) against dismantling the quotas Heck, even US could do this unilaterally (just like British did), if they wanted to pursue human rights.

nradov 1y ago
What a silly, unrealistic idea. No other country or coalition is going to launch a violent ground invasion of Israel and Palestine in order to impose peace terms on them. Protecting human rights in other countries is not our responsibility. They'll have to solve their own disputes one way or another.
- js8 1y ago
  No ground invasion is needed, not even serious economic sanctions for non-compliance. Just a simple phone call from American president, that Israelis are now free to fend themselves from "hostile Arabs", without US military aid (there's a precedent btw). After all, it's Israel's own responsibility to protect human rights, isn't it?
  - hersko 1y ago
    You think Israel would just collapse if the US stopped supporting them?
    - lostlogin 1y ago
      Who would support Israel? Who’s aircraft carriers would stand by?
      - I-M-S 1y ago
        The official doctrine of Israel is to nuke the whole region [1] rather than accept anything similar to what has been proposed above. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
      - halflife 1y ago
        Research Israel’s independence war where Czechoslovakia contributed arms. It wasn’t until Nixon that Israel had American support.
        lostlogin 1y ago
        Im talking about now, not 50 years ago. Czechoslovakia doesn’t even exist. Who else would provide the support the US gives?
        halflife 1y ago
        My point was that even without American support, Israel won its wars.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Who would support Israel? If the United States launched a land war on Israel and Palestine, Russia and China. It would be an opportunity to bog down the United States in the Middle East for another generation.
    - ImJamal 1y ago
      I haven't confirmed the numbers, but I saw an estimate of 75% of Israeli military funding came from foreign aid (primarily the US) and those numbers did not include the US sitting in the Mediterranean with ships intercepting rockets. If they had to cut down their military to 25% they would collapse from outside attacks. Israel would probably figure out the funding so it wouldn't drop by that much though.
  - corimaith 1y ago
    Which "hostile arabs"? Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States want military cooperation with Israel to counter Iran. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, etc are too busy with their own affairs and have no desire to fight a unnecessarily destructive war.

by js8 1y ago

nradov 1y ago

What a silly, unrealistic idea. No other country or coalition is going to launch a violent ground invasion of Israel and Palestine in order to impose peace terms on them. Protecting human rights in other countries is not our responsibility. They'll have to solve their own disputes one way or another.

js8 1y ago
No ground invasion is needed, not even serious economic sanctions for non-compliance. Just a simple phone call from American president, that Israelis are now free to fend themselves from "hostile Arabs", without US military aid (there's a precedent btw). After all, it's Israel's own responsibility to protect human rights, isn't it?
- hersko 1y ago
  You think Israel would just collapse if the US stopped supporting them?
  - lostlogin 1y ago
    Who would support Israel? Who’s aircraft carriers would stand by?
    - I-M-S 1y ago
      The official doctrine of Israel is to nuke the whole region [1] rather than accept anything similar to what has been proposed above. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
    - halflife 1y ago
      Research Israel’s independence war where Czechoslovakia contributed arms. It wasn’t until Nixon that Israel had American support.
      - lostlogin 1y ago
        Im talking about now, not 50 years ago. Czechoslovakia doesn’t even exist. Who else would provide the support the US gives?
        halflife 1y ago
        My point was that even without American support, Israel won its wars.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Who would support Israel? If the United States launched a land war on Israel and Palestine, Russia and China. It would be an opportunity to bog down the United States in the Middle East for another generation.
  - ImJamal 1y ago
    I haven't confirmed the numbers, but I saw an estimate of 75% of Israeli military funding came from foreign aid (primarily the US) and those numbers did not include the US sitting in the Mediterranean with ships intercepting rockets. If they had to cut down their military to 25% they would collapse from outside attacks. Israel would probably figure out the funding so it wouldn't drop by that much though.
- corimaith 1y ago
  Which "hostile arabs"? Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States want military cooperation with Israel to counter Iran. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, etc are too busy with their own affairs and have no desire to fight a unnecessarily destructive war.