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It's important to note that a big part of Israeli society opposes the JahuNatan government, the illegal settlers and war crimes in Gaza. Even after the Hamas at

It's important to note that a big part of Israeli society opposes the JahuNatan government, the illegal settlers and war crimes in Gaza. Even after the Hamas attack on Kibbutzim near Gaza in '23. Quite important not to become part of the problem when you discuss this case. And the problem is that such a heated subject is prone to make people ideologically possessed and tribal. To a point where they become emotionally blinded and are unable to listen to people that don't share/fully support their beliefs.

sc68cal 1y ago
They may oppose the current arrangement of the government but they don't disagree with the occupation and ethnic cleansing. > Eurasia Poll: 82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-expel-palestinians-gaza-genocide/ https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...
- WesolyKubeczek 1y ago
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  - viccis 1y ago
    Can't be "live-and-let-live" if the "live" part isn't happening.
  - bjourne 1y ago
    PCPSR regularly polls Palestinians about various subjects: https://pcpsr.org/en https://pcpsr.org/en From memory, around 15% supported one state for historical Palestine from which Jewish settlers would have to leave. Maybe polls about "killing all Jews" are conducted in your country, in other parts of the world they generally aren't...
- victorbjorklund 1y ago
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  - viccis 1y ago
    "What percentage of the people being bombed out and starved want to destroy the specific group of people doing and supporting the bombing and starvation" is not the gotcha you think it is. I'd imagine if you asked Armenians about their opinions of Azeris in the NK region, you'd get answers that would give you chills.
    - halflife 1y ago
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  - graemep 1y ago
    Given the numbers who voted for Hamas I guess its a pretty high proportion. I think (from the perspective of having lived in a country undergoing a civil war for many years) one of the problems the West has in dealing with issues like this is that people imagine that there is a bad side to oppose, and a good side you want to win. Very often the impacts on societies of lengthy conflicts means that there are no clear good guys to back. If a significant proportion of one side wants to drive out or wipe out the other, that will encourage the other wide to believe that their best option is to be the ones doing the wiping out. It is very likely that a conflict like this will only end when one side wins to that extent.
    - sillyfluke 1y ago
      >Given the numbers who voted for Hamas You mean of course, 20 years ago in 2006 when the last election was held in Gaza. In which they didn't even manage to break 50% I might add and with the Israeli government's blessing as Netanyahu was fond of boasting before Oct 7th --- a far lower number than the number of Israelis that still support the IDF's current military actions.
      - tptacek 1y ago
alexisread 1y ago
I agree there is a significant number opposed, given the protest sizes in Tel Aviv, but it is far from the majority. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support-expulsion-palestinians-gaza-poll https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support... Given Israeli education, support for settlers, the immigration policy which allows anyone with Jewish heritage to claim land there (regardless of any connection to the area, and of any outstanding arrest warrants) and Israelis using their kids to stop aid trucks and so on, there's a lot needed to show the majority what is actually humane and acceptable.
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nujabe 1y ago
Netanyahu is the longest serving Israeli prime minister in history serving a combined 17 years. And he is tipped to win again next election. He very much embodies the will of the Israeli public. If you listen to their “liberal opposition” leaders like the likes of Yair Lapid and Benny Gantz they sound just as unhinged as Netanyahu himself [1] Every poll conducted on Israeli public opinion on the conflict would make have made Nazi officials blush. Majority of Israelis support ethnically cleansing Palestinians from Gaza [2]. Seeing the facts as they are is not being “emotionally blinded”. When genocidal psychopaths scream at the top of their lungs they want to commit genocide and actively work towards that goal, with the results right in front of our eyes, we compelled to believe them. [1] https://x.com/ghostofbph/status/1948720978378309847?s=46 https://x.com/ghostofbph/status/1948720978378309847?s=46 [2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.premium/a-grim-poll-shows-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans-its-brutal-and-true/00000197-3640-d9f1-abb7-7e742b300000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.p...
- jonbodner 1y ago
  Except that's not the case at all. That one poll is extremely dodgy. Here's are other polls: https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-70-of-israelis-support-second-phase-of-hostage-ceasefire-deal/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-70-of-israelis-support-se... https://en.idi.org.il/articles/58648 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/58648 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59019 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59019 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59940 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59940 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-860710 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/art... https://www.inss.org.il/publication/survey-april-2025/ https://www.inss.org.il/publication/survey-april-2025/ But I'm pretty sure you are only interested in sources that confirm what you already believe.
  - nujabe 1y ago
    You have no idea how far gone things are for you to be sprouting this weak hasbara.
nojonestownpls 1y ago
It's interesting to contrast comments like this in this thread, with the amount of hatred and abuse heaped upon Russians on the day of Russia's invasion - not just the Russian state, but a big chunk of comments that made it clear that they held all Russians responsible for it and would like to see their lives destroyed. And had relatively little pushback against them. I agree with the sentiment of your second paragraph, but I wish that thought applied in general, and not just to some special case countries. Especially considering the widely differing levels of democratic power people have in these different countries.
- 9dev 1y ago
  The Russian war on Ukraine is a WILDLY different case. There was no border dispute of any kind between these countries, no terror, no threats, just the Russian desire to own Ukraine. Your point is pretty moot.
  - nojonestownpls 1y ago
    > There was no border dispute of any kind between these countries That is such a perfect representation of the level of public discourse around this, that I can only thank you for providing a sample. It's not even hard to learn about the Donetsk region's conflicts and the destruction there long before the invasion, but flooding the media and Internet with convenient narratives like "just the Russian desire to own Ukraine" has worked and continues to work very effectively on the general public (likely even more than the censorship does). And all of this is quite orthogonal to the main fact here, which is that it makes very little sense to blame the population living under an authoritarian government and want them destroyed for that government's actions, and then turn around and give people in a democratic country a pass on their government's actions.
    - mopsi 1y ago
      > It's not even hard to learn about the Donetsk region's conflicts and the destruction there long before the invasion, but flooding the media and Internet with convenient narratives like "just the Russian desire to own Ukraine" has worked and continues to work very effectively on the general public (likely even more than the censorship does). There was none. The conflict in Donetsk was entirely manufactured during the initial stages of the 2014 invasion. When the European Court of Human Rights reviewed a case concerning the downed Malaysian airliner, the Russian side argued that Russia was not involved, claiming that it was the work of "Donetsk rebels". The court found that there was no genuine separatist movement and no rebels of any kind, only unmarked troops operating under direct Russian control from the start. If anything, the media has been flooded with misrepresentations that promote a "generic ethnic conflict" narrative to mask a straightforward and unprovoked invasion of one country by another country. And the reasons indeed do boil down to one single person, his unchecked power, and unhealthy obsessions - as has been the case with many dictators throughout the history.

sc68cal 1y ago

They may oppose the current arrangement of the government but they don't disagree with the occupation and ethnic cleansing. > Eurasia Poll: 82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-expel-palestinians-gaza-genocide/ https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...

WesolyKubeczek 1y ago
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- viccis 1y ago
  Can't be "live-and-let-live" if the "live" part isn't happening.
- bjourne 1y ago
  PCPSR regularly polls Palestinians about various subjects: https://pcpsr.org/en https://pcpsr.org/en From memory, around 15% supported one state for historical Palestine from which Jewish settlers would have to leave. Maybe polls about "killing all Jews" are conducted in your country, in other parts of the world they generally aren't...
victorbjorklund 1y ago
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- viccis 1y ago
  "What percentage of the people being bombed out and starved want to destroy the specific group of people doing and supporting the bombing and starvation" is not the gotcha you think it is. I'd imagine if you asked Armenians about their opinions of Azeris in the NK region, you'd get answers that would give you chills.
  - halflife 1y ago
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- graemep 1y ago
  Given the numbers who voted for Hamas I guess its a pretty high proportion. I think (from the perspective of having lived in a country undergoing a civil war for many years) one of the problems the West has in dealing with issues like this is that people imagine that there is a bad side to oppose, and a good side you want to win. Very often the impacts on societies of lengthy conflicts means that there are no clear good guys to back. If a significant proportion of one side wants to drive out or wipe out the other, that will encourage the other wide to believe that their best option is to be the ones doing the wiping out. It is very likely that a conflict like this will only end when one side wins to that extent.
  - sillyfluke 1y ago
    >Given the numbers who voted for Hamas You mean of course, 20 years ago in 2006 when the last election was held in Gaza. In which they didn't even manage to break 50% I might add and with the Israeli government's blessing as Netanyahu was fond of boasting before Oct 7th --- a far lower number than the number of Israelis that still support the IDF's current military actions.
    - tptacek 1y ago

alexisread 1y ago

I agree there is a significant number opposed, given the protest sizes in Tel Aviv, but it is far from the majority. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support-expulsion-palestinians-gaza-poll https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support... Given Israeli education, support for settlers, the immigration policy which allows anyone with Jewish heritage to claim land there (regardless of any connection to the area, and of any outstanding arrest warrants) and Israelis using their kids to stop aid trucks and so on, there's a lot needed to show the majority what is actually humane and acceptable.

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nujabe 1y ago

Netanyahu is the longest serving Israeli prime minister in history serving a combined 17 years. And he is tipped to win again next election. He very much embodies the will of the Israeli public. If you listen to their “liberal opposition” leaders like the likes of Yair Lapid and Benny Gantz they sound just as unhinged as Netanyahu himself [1] Every poll conducted on Israeli public opinion on the conflict would make have made Nazi officials blush. Majority of Israelis support ethnically cleansing Palestinians from Gaza [2]. Seeing the facts as they are is not being “emotionally blinded”. When genocidal psychopaths scream at the top of their lungs they want to commit genocide and actively work towards that goal, with the results right in front of our eyes, we compelled to believe them. [1] https://x.com/ghostofbph/status/1948720978378309847?s=46 https://x.com/ghostofbph/status/1948720978378309847?s=46 [2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.premium/a-grim-poll-shows-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans-its-brutal-and-true/00000197-3640-d9f1-abb7-7e742b300000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.p...

jonbodner 1y ago
Except that's not the case at all. That one poll is extremely dodgy. Here's are other polls: https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-70-of-israelis-support-second-phase-of-hostage-ceasefire-deal/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-70-of-israelis-support-se... https://en.idi.org.il/articles/58648 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/58648 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59019 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59019 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59940 https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59940 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-860710 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/art... https://www.inss.org.il/publication/survey-april-2025/ https://www.inss.org.il/publication/survey-april-2025/ But I'm pretty sure you are only interested in sources that confirm what you already believe.
- nujabe 1y ago
  You have no idea how far gone things are for you to be sprouting this weak hasbara.

nojonestownpls 1y ago

It's interesting to contrast comments like this in this thread, with the amount of hatred and abuse heaped upon Russians on the day of Russia's invasion - not just the Russian state, but a big chunk of comments that made it clear that they held all Russians responsible for it and would like to see their lives destroyed. And had relatively little pushback against them. I agree with the sentiment of your second paragraph, but I wish that thought applied in general, and not just to some special case countries. Especially considering the widely differing levels of democratic power people have in these different countries.

9dev 1y ago
The Russian war on Ukraine is a WILDLY different case. There was no border dispute of any kind between these countries, no terror, no threats, just the Russian desire to own Ukraine. Your point is pretty moot.
- nojonestownpls 1y ago
  > There was no border dispute of any kind between these countries That is such a perfect representation of the level of public discourse around this, that I can only thank you for providing a sample. It's not even hard to learn about the Donetsk region's conflicts and the destruction there long before the invasion, but flooding the media and Internet with convenient narratives like "just the Russian desire to own Ukraine" has worked and continues to work very effectively on the general public (likely even more than the censorship does). And all of this is quite orthogonal to the main fact here, which is that it makes very little sense to blame the population living under an authoritarian government and want them destroyed for that government's actions, and then turn around and give people in a democratic country a pass on their government's actions.
  - mopsi 1y ago
    > It's not even hard to learn about the Donetsk region's conflicts and the destruction there long before the invasion, but flooding the media and Internet with convenient narratives like "just the Russian desire to own Ukraine" has worked and continues to work very effectively on the general public (likely even more than the censorship does). There was none. The conflict in Donetsk was entirely manufactured during the initial stages of the 2014 invasion. When the European Court of Human Rights reviewed a case concerning the downed Malaysian airliner, the Russian side argued that Russia was not involved, claiming that it was the work of "Donetsk rebels". The court found that there was no genuine separatist movement and no rebels of any kind, only unmarked troops operating under direct Russian control from the start. If anything, the media has been flooded with misrepresentations that promote a "generic ethnic conflict" narrative to mask a straightforward and unprovoked invasion of one country by another country. And the reasons indeed do boil down to one single person, his unchecked power, and unhealthy obsessions - as has been the case with many dictators throughout the history.