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Bunch of racist Israeli hooligans that were thrown into the Amsterdam Canals got more outrage from the international media and diplomats than a livestreamed col

Bunch of racist Israeli hooligans that were thrown into the Amsterdam Canals got more outrage from the international media and diplomats than a livestreamed cold blooded murder by a terrorist. This is everything you need to know about the world we live in. Palestinian lives simply do not matter.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Palestinian lives simply do not matter Lives in Palestine get far more attention than Burma, West Africa, Ethiopia and Sudan [1]. The basic truth is lives far removed from us tend to be forgettable. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...
- throwforfeds 1y ago
  While we should absolutely be covering on-going civil wars and genocides across the world -- I personally listen to French news sources in order to understand what's going on across Africa -- the fact is that the US has provided Israel with over $300 billion since it's founding. For Sudan, that number is somewhere around $5 billion. So many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide This is fair. Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not.
    - slt2021 1y ago
      >Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not. False. USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them False monolith. To the extent there is a single foreign policy issue dominating the American public consciousness, it’s Gaza. Palestinian lives are not being ignored. There isn’t universal compassion for them. But the average American has more developed views on this topic than for any comparable conflict around the world.
        slt2021 1y ago
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        bigyabai 1y ago
        > Palestinian lives are not being ignored. In many US states it is criminalized to support Palestinian statehood past a certain point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws You can argue that American citizens aren't unaware, but the politicians are born and bred to ignore this catastrophe. We have laws to stop them from caring.
        ImJamal 1y ago
        Laws against boycotting Israel is not related to supporting a Palestinian state. They are two completely different issues.
        pydry 1y ago
        The last genocide aided and abetted by America was probably the genocide of native americans.
        lostlogin 1y ago
        > Palestinian lives are not being ignored. How do you square this view with the current situation? The US has poured resources and weapons into Israel. Gaza is levelled, tens of thousands of Gaza’s people are dead. The US might care about Gaza, but it cares a lot more about Israel.
    - 74B5 1y ago
      If ignorance was not an issue, how come that money went to israel for all this time?
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        How are these related? I supported arming Ukraine. That didn’t rely on ignorance of Russia.
    - emsign 1y ago
      Depends on how you define "ignored". Maybe you mean "heard" while the only thing that counts in this matter is if they are being "helped".
- cultofmetatron 1y ago
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  - pydry 1y ago
    It's whataboutism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
  - victorbjorklund 1y ago
    So take Yemen where American weapons to Saudi Arabia has been used to kill people in Yemen.
    - regularization 1y ago
      People have protested the US bombing Yemen https://x.com/davidmryder/status/1746049132027150672 https://x.com/davidmryder/status/1746049132027150672 The duration (mostly over already) and death toll are less as well.
  - dgb23 1y ago
    Let‘s not call people „animals“ in this negative sense. Dehumanization is at the root of these problems.
    - cultofmetatron 1y ago
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      - ricree 1y ago
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        cultofmetatron 1y ago
        I just think they should be treated the way they treat others. nothing more, nothing less
- nojonestownpls 1y ago
  And yet far less attention than those in Ukraine got even at a time when the destruction and killing there was less than 1% of what Palestine has gone through. Within one week of the first attack, Ukraine got more mainstream support, on-air time, and geopolitical response, than Palestine got over a year of suffering through civilian murders and other clear war crimes.
tim333 1y ago
In London there are pretty much daily pro Palestinian protests, not much for the other side.
- pphysch 1y ago
  Why would the other side need to protest?
  - victorbjorklund 1y ago
    Maybe some people don't agree with Hamas massacre of civilians and the continued kidnapping of civilians (including children)?
    - KingMob 1y ago
      Nobody should agree with that. The problem comes when they only focus on Hamas, and ignore Israel's kidnapping and detention of 10k Palestinians without being charged. AKA, "hostages".
  - tim333 1y ago
    I saw some protests by the other side saying they'd like their hostages back.
    - deleted 1y ago
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- slt2021 1y ago
  could it be because advocating for the live-streamed genocide is not popular as one might think ?
  - hersko 1y ago
    You people would have been calling the US's war with Germany and Japan in WWII a genocide as well if there was social media.
nonna5665 1y ago
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- alangibson 1y ago
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- emsign 1y ago
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dingnuts 1y ago
Tell me, where are Jews supposed to go if not to their historic homeland? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Mu... > Today, Jews residing in Muslim countries have been reduced to a small fraction of their former sizes, with Iran and Turkey being home to the largest remaining Jewish populations, followed by Morocco, Tunisia, Lebanon, Yemen, Algeria, Syria, Pakistan and Iraq. This was due to Zionist recruitment, religious beliefs, economic reasons, widespread persecution, antisemitism, political instability and curbing of human rights in Muslim-majority countries. "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Muslim," they say. Where then, should the Jews be allowed to live? Only in Brooklyn? > Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before. Nowadays, it is estimated that only around 15,000 remain, as the majority of the Jewish population in Muslim lands were forced to flee their homes https://sephardicu.com/history/jewish-population-in-10-islamic-countries/#:~:text=Nowadays%2C%20it,the%20years https://sephardicu.com/history/jewish-population-in-10-islam... Hamas could surrender at any time. They're to blame for everything.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  Judging by the British Raj, choosing to inhabit a former British colony probably wasn't a super informed decision. If you attended history class, you know what happened the moment Britian left. Violence begets violence, if Israeli settlers want to fight to displace other people then they will die in that process. Thankfully for Jews, there are other states they can choose to inhabit that are both secular and respect international law. These are, statistically, safer places for Jewish individuals to live than a state that instructs their army on how to commit fratricide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
- throwforfeds 1y ago
  > The introduction of nationalist ideologies (including Zionism and Arab nationalism), the impact of colonial policies, and the establishment of modern nation-states altered the status and dynamics of Jewish communities in Muslim-majority countries. From your source. It's important to note that in a place like Algeria the French colonists granted Jewish populations citizenship to France, yet denied it to the Arab and Berber populations. [1] This fractured relations between the Sephardic population and the rest of the local population, which is exactly what the French wanted. I'm not going to say relations were perfect before, or deny that Jewish populations weren't second class citizens, but there was a long history of being neighbors and having cities like Constantine be a place of refuge after the Spanish expulsion of Jews from Andalusia. I mean, in places like Mogador in Morocco, Jewish populations were explicitly invited by the king to settle and set up trading businesses [2]. The founding of Israel completely changed this and fractured relations that went back hundreds, if not thousands, of years. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9mieux_Decree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9mieux_Decree [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essaouira#Jewish_presence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essaouira#Jewish_presence [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghrebi_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghrebi_Jews
seydor 1y ago
that is evident, the puzzling thing for average people is why

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Palestinian lives simply do not matter Lives in Palestine get far more attention than Burma, West Africa, Ethiopia and Sudan [1]. The basic truth is lives far removed from us tend to be forgettable. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...

throwforfeds 1y ago
While we should absolutely be covering on-going civil wars and genocides across the world -- I personally listen to French news sources in order to understand what's going on across Africa -- the fact is that the US has provided Israel with over $300 billion since it's founding. For Sudan, that number is somewhere around $5 billion. So many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide This is fair. Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not.
  - slt2021 1y ago
    >Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not. False. USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them False monolith. To the extent there is a single foreign policy issue dominating the American public consciousness, it’s Gaza. Palestinian lives are not being ignored. There isn’t universal compassion for them. But the average American has more developed views on this topic than for any comparable conflict around the world.
      - slt2021 1y ago
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      - bigyabai 1y ago
        > Palestinian lives are not being ignored. In many US states it is criminalized to support Palestinian statehood past a certain point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws You can argue that American citizens aren't unaware, but the politicians are born and bred to ignore this catastrophe. We have laws to stop them from caring.
        ImJamal 1y ago
        Laws against boycotting Israel is not related to supporting a Palestinian state. They are two completely different issues.
      - pydry 1y ago
        The last genocide aided and abetted by America was probably the genocide of native americans.
      - lostlogin 1y ago
        > Palestinian lives are not being ignored. How do you square this view with the current situation? The US has poured resources and weapons into Israel. Gaza is levelled, tens of thousands of Gaza’s people are dead. The US might care about Gaza, but it cares a lot more about Israel.
  - 74B5 1y ago
    If ignorance was not an issue, how come that money went to israel for all this time?
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      How are these related? I supported arming Ukraine. That didn’t rely on ignorance of Russia.
  - emsign 1y ago
    Depends on how you define "ignored". Maybe you mean "heard" while the only thing that counts in this matter is if they are being "helped".
cultofmetatron 1y ago
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- pydry 1y ago
  It's whataboutism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- victorbjorklund 1y ago
  So take Yemen where American weapons to Saudi Arabia has been used to kill people in Yemen.
  - regularization 1y ago
    People have protested the US bombing Yemen https://x.com/davidmryder/status/1746049132027150672 https://x.com/davidmryder/status/1746049132027150672 The duration (mostly over already) and death toll are less as well.
- dgb23 1y ago
  Let‘s not call people „animals“ in this negative sense. Dehumanization is at the root of these problems.
  - cultofmetatron 1y ago
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    - ricree 1y ago
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      - cultofmetatron 1y ago
        I just think they should be treated the way they treat others. nothing more, nothing less
nojonestownpls 1y ago
And yet far less attention than those in Ukraine got even at a time when the destruction and killing there was less than 1% of what Palestine has gone through. Within one week of the first attack, Ukraine got more mainstream support, on-air time, and geopolitical response, than Palestine got over a year of suffering through civilian murders and other clear war crimes.

tim333 1y ago

In London there are pretty much daily pro Palestinian protests, not much for the other side.

pphysch 1y ago
Why would the other side need to protest?
- victorbjorklund 1y ago
  Maybe some people don't agree with Hamas massacre of civilians and the continued kidnapping of civilians (including children)?
  - KingMob 1y ago
    Nobody should agree with that. The problem comes when they only focus on Hamas, and ignore Israel's kidnapping and detention of 10k Palestinians without being charged. AKA, "hostages".
- tim333 1y ago
  I saw some protests by the other side saying they'd like their hostages back.
  - deleted 1y ago
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slt2021 1y ago
could it be because advocating for the live-streamed genocide is not popular as one might think ?
- hersko 1y ago
  You people would have been calling the US's war with Germany and Japan in WWII a genocide as well if there was social media.

nonna5665 1y ago

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alangibson 1y ago
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emsign 1y ago
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dingnuts 1y ago

Tell me, where are Jews supposed to go if not to their historic homeland? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Mu... > Today, Jews residing in Muslim countries have been reduced to a small fraction of their former sizes, with Iran and Turkey being home to the largest remaining Jewish populations, followed by Morocco, Tunisia, Lebanon, Yemen, Algeria, Syria, Pakistan and Iraq. This was due to Zionist recruitment, religious beliefs, economic reasons, widespread persecution, antisemitism, political instability and curbing of human rights in Muslim-majority countries. "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Muslim," they say. Where then, should the Jews be allowed to live? Only in Brooklyn? > Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before. Nowadays, it is estimated that only around 15,000 remain, as the majority of the Jewish population in Muslim lands were forced to flee their homes https://sephardicu.com/history/jewish-population-in-10-islamic-countries/#:~:text=Nowadays%2C%20it,the%20years https://sephardicu.com/history/jewish-population-in-10-islam... Hamas could surrender at any time. They're to blame for everything.

bigyabai 1y ago
Judging by the British Raj, choosing to inhabit a former British colony probably wasn't a super informed decision. If you attended history class, you know what happened the moment Britian left. Violence begets violence, if Israeli settlers want to fight to displace other people then they will die in that process. Thankfully for Jews, there are other states they can choose to inhabit that are both secular and respect international law. These are, statistically, safer places for Jewish individuals to live than a state that instructs their army on how to commit fratricide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
throwforfeds 1y ago
> The introduction of nationalist ideologies (including Zionism and Arab nationalism), the impact of colonial policies, and the establishment of modern nation-states altered the status and dynamics of Jewish communities in Muslim-majority countries. From your source. It's important to note that in a place like Algeria the French colonists granted Jewish populations citizenship to France, yet denied it to the Arab and Berber populations. [1] This fractured relations between the Sephardic population and the rest of the local population, which is exactly what the French wanted. I'm not going to say relations were perfect before, or deny that Jewish populations weren't second class citizens, but there was a long history of being neighbors and having cities like Constantine be a place of refuge after the Spanish expulsion of Jews from Andalusia. I mean, in places like Mogador in Morocco, Jewish populations were explicitly invited by the king to settle and set up trading businesses [2]. The founding of Israel completely changed this and fractured relations that went back hundreds, if not thousands, of years. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9mieux_Decree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9mieux_Decree [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essaouira#Jewish_presence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essaouira#Jewish_presence [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghrebi_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghrebi_Jews

seydor 1y ago

that is evident, the puzzling thing for average people is why