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I don't think this kind of discourse helps and I don't agree with the point. I am vehemently against chat control, but at least in my country (Netherlands) I sa

by akk0 1y ago

I don't think this kind of discourse helps and I don't agree with the point. I am vehemently against chat control, but at least in my country (Netherlands) I saw nothing beyond the pale re: covid measures given the situation. I also don't see how those measures, regardless of whether you agree with them, reflect on chat control, as I'm not aware of any covid measures targeting encryption, nor of any EU-level measures you might be referring to here. Maybe you care to elucidate? Regardless by equating the two I think you alienate people, because as far as I can tell most people are still broadly understanding of COVID measures taken and the core demographic that's not is also generally in favor of Chat Control.

isaacremuant 1y ago
> I don't think this kind of discourse helps and I don't agree with the point. Helps who? It absolutely helps to call out the hypocrisy and consequences. This is what you wanted. Enjoy it. > I am vehemently against chat control, but at least in my country (Netherlands) I saw nothing beyond the pale re: covid measures given the situation. I also don't see how those measures, regardless of whether you agree with them, reflect on chat control, as I'm not aware of any covid measures targeting encryption, nor of any EU-level measures you might be referring to here. You're willfully ignorant of the authoritarianism perpetrated, then. - They imprisoned you in your home. - They disallowed movement beyond certain ranges. - They censored free speech and sometimes even legally punished or imprisoned people for speech. You would refer to it as "dangerous misinformation" but that is what every authoritarian government says when they're oppressing their populace. - they blamed different political or ethnic groups of the "spread of the disease". - they destroyed the concept of informed consent from the Nuremberg trials and coerced people under threat of job loss/house loss/family separation to get new vaccines (extremely questionable ones, to add insult to injury). - Questioning the vaccines in any way was censored and equated with the worst of offenses. - invasion of privacy and constitutional rights of all kinds were justified in the name of "stopping the crisis". - there was no perceived end and many legal frameworks stayed. > you care to elucidate? Hope you hace fun with the above. I could go for ages. > Regardless by equating the two I think you alienate people Oh my sweet summer child. You think I care about alienating people who wanted to send the "evil spreaders of disease" and "fredumb" lovers to camps? I'm absolutely over you and the likes of you. You either come to the side of anti authoritarianism fully and do a full mea culpa or I'll just laugh while loudly saying "this is what you wanted". > because as far as I can tell most people are still brodly understanding of COVID measures taken and the core demographic that's not is also generally in favor of Chat Control I don't quite parse the last part but I can assure you that people who were manipulated to give away their rights during COVID can be coerced or manipulated to give whatever next right they're asked. You'll scream about terrorism, the evil right, the evil foreign country, the evil criminal or whatever and that's that. Get shocked and push for freedom for all or just take it because it's what you asked for. Nanny government. No dissent.

by akk0 1y ago

isaacremuant 1y ago

> I don't think this kind of discourse helps and I don't agree with the point. Helps who? It absolutely helps to call out the hypocrisy and consequences. This is what you wanted. Enjoy it. > I am vehemently against chat control, but at least in my country (Netherlands) I saw nothing beyond the pale re: covid measures given the situation. I also don't see how those measures, regardless of whether you agree with them, reflect on chat control, as I'm not aware of any covid measures targeting encryption, nor of any EU-level measures you might be referring to here. You're willfully ignorant of the authoritarianism perpetrated, then. - They imprisoned you in your home. - They disallowed movement beyond certain ranges. - They censored free speech and sometimes even legally punished or imprisoned people for speech. You would refer to it as "dangerous misinformation" but that is what every authoritarian government says when they're oppressing their populace. - they blamed different political or ethnic groups of the "spread of the disease". - they destroyed the concept of informed consent from the Nuremberg trials and coerced people under threat of job loss/house loss/family separation to get new vaccines (extremely questionable ones, to add insult to injury). - Questioning the vaccines in any way was censored and equated with the worst of offenses. - invasion of privacy and constitutional rights of all kinds were justified in the name of "stopping the crisis". - there was no perceived end and many legal frameworks stayed. > you care to elucidate? Hope you hace fun with the above. I could go for ages. > Regardless by equating the two I think you alienate people Oh my sweet summer child. You think I care about alienating people who wanted to send the "evil spreaders of disease" and "fredumb" lovers to camps? I'm absolutely over you and the likes of you. You either come to the side of anti authoritarianism fully and do a full mea culpa or I'll just laugh while loudly saying "this is what you wanted". > because as far as I can tell most people are still brodly understanding of COVID measures taken and the core demographic that's not is also generally in favor of Chat Control I don't quite parse the last part but I can assure you that people who were manipulated to give away their rights during COVID can be coerced or manipulated to give whatever next right they're asked. You'll scream about terrorism, the evil right, the evil foreign country, the evil criminal or whatever and that's that. Get shocked and push for freedom for all or just take it because it's what you asked for. Nanny government. No dissent.