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"not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die" Not true. The truth is that Chat Control has returned several times already and the majorit
by inglor_cz 1y ago
"not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die"
Not true. The truth is that Chat Control has returned several times already and the majority of the EU states were actually always for, but a blocking minority has been reached each time - barely so.
Worryingly, one of the blocking minority countries used to be Germany, where privacy-minded smaller parties (Greens, FDP) are no longer in government. The new government hasn't declared its position yet. If it switches to yes, then the remnants of our privacy are kaput just like that, and the only hope will be in the ECHR, or possibly (sigh) in Trump's tech bros angrily vetoing it from abroad.
So, no one freak from Denmark, but a concerted, repeated effort.
There is an even worse set of measures in the phase of preparation, ProtectEU, which would mandate backdoors in everything under the pain of prison for vendors, introduce mandatory data retention and ban non-logging VPNs.
Fuck, I don't want to live in a China with a blue flag instead of red. This is absolutely dystopian.
Don't downplay the danger. Don't spread disinformation. This isn't a random shot from a random weirdo in Denmark. This is a seriously driven EU-wide attempt to destroy meaningful encryption with a lot of proponents and backers. And the current EC chair, Ursula von der Leyen, has a history of promoting such measures, that is why Germans call her Zensursula.
- squigz 1y agoCan you link to some info on what countries voted for or against previous attempts at this?
- inglor_cz 1y agoThis guy has been doing a lot of lifting on the fight against Chat Control: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/ Take a look across his page and his social network media, he had nice maps for each round, so hopefully they are still there.
- tremon 1y agoWhy not link directly to his Chat Control dossier? https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
- isaacremuant 1y ago> Fuck, I don't want to live in a China with a blue flag instead of red. This is absolutely dystopian. I think it's too late. People already showed they'd loudly support this if propagandized enough like during COVID times where the most draconian and anti constitutional of policies were enacted, literally following and lobbied by China. Unless people recognize that they did a terrible thing in supporting covid policies instead of burying their head under the sand or persisting in the ridiculous propaganda about anti-vaxxers and disinformation, they're always going to be easily manipulated. The same goes for the "let's invade new country because 'dictator/terrorism/grave threat to our western way of life'". Are we the baddies is a rethorical question at this point.
- inglor_cz 1y agoThis seems to be done in a completely different way. Instead of a loud propaganda push, the proponents seem to want to avoid drawing attention to the proposals. Most of the big media is either completely silent about that, or only mentions those proposals shortly on the bottom of the page. Which indicates that they haven't received any instructions to push it visibly. And I think this is partially caused by fear of possible backlash.
- KolyaKornelius 1y agoI don't see what Covid has to do with this. Covid prevention measures were always meant to be temporal and they all were taken back.
- teddyh 1y agoIt’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up.
- faku812 1y agoTemporal? Tell that to people who were coerced into getting vaccinated and are now suffering permanent side effects.
- isaacremuant 1y agoHahahahah. The new Normal was always meant to be temporal? You know some of us absolutely paid attention, right? You know many things absolutely remained, right? Also, anti constitutional and anti human rights is wrong no matter if it's temporal or not. But hey, you supported it, now deal with the fallout. Temporary like the war on terror. Give me a break.
- emptysongglass 1y agoAnd from a Dane here, it's far from isolated to one Danish freak: the majority of parties support Chat Control.
- inglor_cz 1y agoI generally love Denmark from all my heart, but this is one big exception. Like wtf, vikings.
- arghwhat 1y agoAs a Dane, we're sorry - democracy is imperfect and it seems that being a politician requires technological incompetence and immunity to silly things like numbers and facts. :(