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Its public info, you cant cover your eyes and pretend it doesnt exist right there for everyone to see. Thats the reason why leaks are so bad.

neilv 1y ago
If someone gets beaten up and left in the street, and, consequently, their wallet is laying right there beside their unconscious body, is it OK for you to take their wallet? I mean, you can't pretend the wallet isn't right there, for everyone to see, just begging for someone to take it? This is why beatdowns are so wrong? The person who takes the wallet is as much a victim as anyone? Blame society?
- GloomyBoots 1y ago
  This feels like a very dated metaphor. When my older brother introduced me Napster, was I actually rifling through Lars Ulrich’s wallet and shaking out mp3s? In this case, a clone of the wallet has been preserved for all and sundry to peruse. Is it really wrong as a genuinely curious person not to pretend it isn’t there? There’s a lot to be said about privacy on the Internet. I don’t think there’s much to be gained by attacking those who, out of genuine curiosity, don’t abide by the same polite fictions as the rest of us. I dont like browsing random strangers’ PII. I tend to hope those who do show due respect. And don’t see any sign of malice in GP.
  - neilv 1y ago
    IP theft isn't the same thing as privacy violation.
    - GloomyBoots 1y ago
      Not the same ethically. I’m not arguing that. But it’s the same mechanics. Browsing a dump floating around on the Internet isn’t the same as stealing someone’s personal info. The data is already there. You’re not depriving anyone else of it, and as long as you’re not hosting nor seeding it, you’re not sharing it, either. Most of us pretend not to see it, but it’s there regardless.
      - neilv 1y ago
        Privacy violation can incur costs to the victim each time. Not only upon whatever you decide to declare was an event that made subsequent violation easier, but also upon those subsequent events.
- AuthAuth 1y ago
  The information is spread all across the internet. By reading this thread you can see people's "private" conversations. There is no point in judging the people who see the information once its public. Its like walking down the street with no clothes and then getting mad at people who looked.
  - slg 1y ago
    The information might be viewable from the public, but there was still an expectation of privacy at the start of this. It isn't a naked person walking down the street, it is someone getting naked in their own home and you're peering through their window. Neither the legal status of that action nor other people also being able to see in the window makes it morally justifiable to violate the original expectation of privacy.

neilv 1y ago

If someone gets beaten up and left in the street, and, consequently, their wallet is laying right there beside their unconscious body, is it OK for you to take their wallet? I mean, you can't pretend the wallet isn't right there, for everyone to see, just begging for someone to take it? This is why beatdowns are so wrong? The person who takes the wallet is as much a victim as anyone? Blame society?

GloomyBoots 1y ago
This feels like a very dated metaphor. When my older brother introduced me Napster, was I actually rifling through Lars Ulrich’s wallet and shaking out mp3s? In this case, a clone of the wallet has been preserved for all and sundry to peruse. Is it really wrong as a genuinely curious person not to pretend it isn’t there? There’s a lot to be said about privacy on the Internet. I don’t think there’s much to be gained by attacking those who, out of genuine curiosity, don’t abide by the same polite fictions as the rest of us. I dont like browsing random strangers’ PII. I tend to hope those who do show due respect. And don’t see any sign of malice in GP.
- neilv 1y ago
  IP theft isn't the same thing as privacy violation.
  - GloomyBoots 1y ago
    Not the same ethically. I’m not arguing that. But it’s the same mechanics. Browsing a dump floating around on the Internet isn’t the same as stealing someone’s personal info. The data is already there. You’re not depriving anyone else of it, and as long as you’re not hosting nor seeding it, you’re not sharing it, either. Most of us pretend not to see it, but it’s there regardless.
    - neilv 1y ago
      Privacy violation can incur costs to the victim each time. Not only upon whatever you decide to declare was an event that made subsequent violation easier, but also upon those subsequent events.
AuthAuth 1y ago
The information is spread all across the internet. By reading this thread you can see people's "private" conversations. There is no point in judging the people who see the information once its public. Its like walking down the street with no clothes and then getting mad at people who looked.
- slg 1y ago
  The information might be viewable from the public, but there was still an expectation of privacy at the start of this. It isn't a naked person walking down the street, it is someone getting naked in their own home and you're peering through their window. Neither the legal status of that action nor other people also being able to see in the window makes it morally justifiable to violate the original expectation of privacy.