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200 bucks a month isn't enough. Fine. Make a plan that is enough so that I will be left alone about time limits and enforced breaks. NOTHING breaks flow better

by serf 1y ago

200 bucks a month isn't enough. Fine. Make a plan that is enough so that I will be left alone about time limits and enforced breaks. NOTHING breaks flow better than "Woops! Times up!"; it's worse than credit quotas -- at least then I can make a conscious decision to spend more money or not towards the project. This whole 'twiddle your thumbs for 5 hours while the gpus cool off' concept isn't productive for me. '35 hours' is absolutely nothing when you spawn lots of agents, and the damn thing is built to support that behavior.

nojito 1y ago
Use the API.
- strictnein 1y ago
  The API is far more expensive. For Opus 4 it's almost priced in a way that says "don't use this".
  - chomp 1y ago
    That’s not what the parent commenter asked though, they wanted a price for not being concerned about limits. The API pricing is that.
    - johnpaulkiser 1y ago
      I doubts thats what they want. They want a static fixed price, $5k a month for example and never have to think about it.
      - paxys 1y ago
        Even if you used the API 24x7 for a single session (no parallel requests) I doubt you'd be able to hit $5k/mo in usage for Claude 4 Sonnet.
      - qeternity 1y ago
        Take the API and assume 24/7 usage (or whatever working hours are). That’s your fixed cost. It’s more likely that this sum is higher than they want. So really it’s not about predictability.
      - camgunz 1y ago
        The way these work is they're net profitable given all users, so you have to recategorize users in one of two ways: - a user subsidizing other users - a user subsidized by other users I don't know what OP prefers, but given that people are saying "woof, API pricing too expensive", it sounds like the latter. The problem, of course, is the provider has to find a market where the one sustains the other. Are there enough users who would pay > $200/mo without getting their money's worth in order to subsidize users paying the same rate, but using more than the average? I think the non-existence of a higher-tier plan says there probably isn't, but I don't want to give too much credence to markets, economics, etc.
- awestroke 1y ago
  I use Claude Code authenticated via the API (Anthropic Console). There's no limits for me. And I also assume API-metered requests are prioritized, so it's faster as well.
  - data-ottawa 1y ago
    The API does have limits but they’re determined by your monthly spend. I did a trial of tier 1 spend and did hit the limits, but on on tier two spending it was much much better. https://docs.anthropic.com/en/api/rate-limits#requirements-to-advance-tier https://docs.anthropic.com/en/api/rate-limits#requirements-t...
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porridgebrain 1y ago
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- tough 1y ago
  Or just use any other CLI and API provider and let Anthropic hang with their -alignment- and selling out to warmongers actually you can keep using claude code (cli) tool with any provider, just replace the env endpoints. https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router
- steve_adams_86 1y ago
  What if they're using it to help them learn to program? There are plenty of valid uses people might have. And ultimately, it's their call, right? Capitalism and all that. I suppose the argument then is "just use the API", and sure, that's a solution. Yet it's odd to have an expensive subscription that's heavily rate limited like this. It's a non-issue for me. When I hit the limit, which is rare, I go back to analog life where I use my head's brain to do the heavy lifting and that has all kinds of perks that Claude doesn't have. I get why people are frustrated, though.
- garciasn 1y ago
  I know how to program; I just don’t have the time to do it all and my company doesn’t have the revenue to support more devs. So; this is the best way to make do with what I have.
chomp 1y ago
Just use the API
- wahnfrieden 1y ago
  Just buy multiple Max subscriptions.
ankit219 1y ago
API has fewer limits, and practically limitless. Claude is also on Aws and gcp, where you get more quotas (probably credits as well) and different rate limits.
ChadMoran 1y ago
This. Optimize for the good actors, not the bad ones.
Aurornis 1y ago
> '35 hours' is absolutely nothing when you spawn lots of agents, and the damn thing is built to support that behavior. I wouldn't call "spawning a lot of agents" to be a typical use case of the personal plan. That was always in the domain of switching to a pay as you go API. It's nice that they allowed it on the fixed rate plans, but those plans were always advertised as higher limits, not unlimited.
- nojs 1y ago
  It’s literally recommended in “Best practices”: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/claude-code-best-practices https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/claude-code-best-pract...
whalesalad 1y ago
I use the API. Just pay-per-use. Refill it $100 at a time.
AstroBen 1y ago
It's quite possible changing plans to something that's enough to make them profitable would push everyone to a competitor Slowly bringing up prices as people get dependent sounds like a pretty decent strategy if they have the money to burn
- samrus 1y ago
  Changing plans? They could just keep the old plans and add a new one, like OAIs 2k/month plan
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by serf 1y ago

nojito 1y ago

Use the API.

strictnein 1y ago
The API is far more expensive. For Opus 4 it's almost priced in a way that says "don't use this".
- chomp 1y ago
  That’s not what the parent commenter asked though, they wanted a price for not being concerned about limits. The API pricing is that.
  - johnpaulkiser 1y ago
    I doubts thats what they want. They want a static fixed price, $5k a month for example and never have to think about it.
    - paxys 1y ago
      Even if you used the API 24x7 for a single session (no parallel requests) I doubt you'd be able to hit $5k/mo in usage for Claude 4 Sonnet.
    - qeternity 1y ago
      Take the API and assume 24/7 usage (or whatever working hours are). That’s your fixed cost. It’s more likely that this sum is higher than they want. So really it’s not about predictability.
    - camgunz 1y ago
      The way these work is they're net profitable given all users, so you have to recategorize users in one of two ways: - a user subsidizing other users - a user subsidized by other users I don't know what OP prefers, but given that people are saying "woof, API pricing too expensive", it sounds like the latter. The problem, of course, is the provider has to find a market where the one sustains the other. Are there enough users who would pay > $200/mo without getting their money's worth in order to subsidize users paying the same rate, but using more than the average? I think the non-existence of a higher-tier plan says there probably isn't, but I don't want to give too much credence to markets, economics, etc.
awestroke 1y ago
I use Claude Code authenticated via the API (Anthropic Console). There's no limits for me. And I also assume API-metered requests are prioritized, so it's faster as well.
- data-ottawa 1y ago
  The API does have limits but they’re determined by your monthly spend. I did a trial of tier 1 spend and did hit the limits, but on on tier two spending it was much much better. https://docs.anthropic.com/en/api/rate-limits#requirements-to-advance-tier https://docs.anthropic.com/en/api/rate-limits#requirements-t...
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porridgebrain 1y ago

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tough 1y ago
Or just use any other CLI and API provider and let Anthropic hang with their -alignment- and selling out to warmongers actually you can keep using claude code (cli) tool with any provider, just replace the env endpoints. https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router
steve_adams_86 1y ago
What if they're using it to help them learn to program? There are plenty of valid uses people might have. And ultimately, it's their call, right? Capitalism and all that. I suppose the argument then is "just use the API", and sure, that's a solution. Yet it's odd to have an expensive subscription that's heavily rate limited like this. It's a non-issue for me. When I hit the limit, which is rare, I go back to analog life where I use my head's brain to do the heavy lifting and that has all kinds of perks that Claude doesn't have. I get why people are frustrated, though.
garciasn 1y ago
I know how to program; I just don’t have the time to do it all and my company doesn’t have the revenue to support more devs. So; this is the best way to make do with what I have.

chomp 1y ago

Just use the API

wahnfrieden 1y ago
Just buy multiple Max subscriptions.

ankit219 1y ago

API has fewer limits, and practically limitless. Claude is also on Aws and gcp, where you get more quotas (probably credits as well) and different rate limits.

ChadMoran 1y ago

This. Optimize for the good actors, not the bad ones.

Aurornis 1y ago

> '35 hours' is absolutely nothing when you spawn lots of agents, and the damn thing is built to support that behavior. I wouldn't call "spawning a lot of agents" to be a typical use case of the personal plan. That was always in the domain of switching to a pay as you go API. It's nice that they allowed it on the fixed rate plans, but those plans were always advertised as higher limits, not unlimited.

nojs 1y ago
It’s literally recommended in “Best practices”: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/claude-code-best-practices https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/claude-code-best-pract...

whalesalad 1y ago

I use the API. Just pay-per-use. Refill it $100 at a time.

AstroBen 1y ago

It's quite possible changing plans to something that's enough to make them profitable would push everyone to a competitor Slowly bringing up prices as people get dependent sounds like a pretty decent strategy if they have the money to burn

samrus 1y ago
Changing plans? They could just keep the old plans and add a new one, like OAIs 2k/month plan

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