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"... and advanced usage patterns like running Claude 24/7 in the background" this is why we can't have nice things

volkk 1y ago
i mean, this is exactly how price discovery works. if you give loose usage requirements, you'll have actors who take full advantage of it. not on the people using it but ultimately on the company that pretends they can sustain something like this, and then claw back the niceties
Modified3019 1y ago
Yeah that part made me laugh. Clearly the work of Benevolent World Exploders trying to hasten the heat death of the universe.
taylorbuley 1y ago
I imagine this was not surprising. This had to have been well-considered by the teams in the first round of pricing. I'm guessing they just didn't want it to be a blocker for release and the implementation is now catching up.
serial_dev 1y ago
All of these AI services tell everyone how amazing AI is, it can run things, solve things on its own, while the developers are drinking coffee or sleeping. Some developers could actually do that with the service they paid for, fully in agreement with the terms and now it is their fault?
- ohdeargodno 1y ago
  "they paid for" $100 doesn't even cover the electricity of running the servers every night, they were abusing a service and now everyone suffers because of them.
  - serial_dev 1y ago
    It is still not the users fault, pricing is not their responsibility. As a user, I check the price and what the service offers, then I subscribe and I use it. If these users did something illegal or breaking some conditions, any service would be free to block them. But they didn’t, meaning the AI tools promised too much for the price so they update their conditions, they are basically figuring out the pricing. I don’t know what is there to be mad about, and using dramatic language like “everyone suffers because of them”
    - currymj 1y ago
      a lot of "all you can eat" restaurants have to charge extra for uneaten food. there are people who just enjoy the feeling of abundance they get from paying a flat fee and then wasting something. This is clearly what was happening with the most extreme Claude Code users, because it's not actually that smart yet and still requires a human to often be in the loop. However, Anthropic can't really identify "wasted code".
    - Tokumei-no-hito 1y ago
      depends on your view of collectivist vs individualistic. if your actions are defined by legal ToS then no, they didn't do anything wrong. they paid, it's the company's fault for not expecting someone to use 50-100x a reasonable usage. if your actions are defined by ethical use then you understood that 50-100x the use would inevitably lead to ruining the party for everyone. it's like a buffet. everyone pays a flat price and can enjoy a big meal for themselves. maybe sometimes having a few extra pieces of cake here and there. until someone shows up and starts stacking plates well beyond any reasonable expectation (not rule based) of a buffet customer. what's the result? stringent rules that are used for legal rather than rational enforcement. it's obvious that even "reasonable use" is being subsidized, and the company was okay with doing so. until we have people running 10 opus instances in a glutinous orchestra of agents just because they can. now the party is over. and i'd love to know what these claude agencies were even producing running 24/7 on opus. i can't imagine what human being even has the context to process what 24/7 teams of opus can put out. much like i can't imagine the buffet abuser actually enjoying the distending feast. but here we are.
- furyofantares 1y ago
  Many such people have been in HN threads bragging about having servers running 24/7 and how they're getting $10,000 worth of compute (based on API pricing) for $200 per month. If anyone doing that is surprised that it wasn't going to last, then lmfao.
- deleted 1y ago
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- OtherShrezzing 1y ago
  Anthropic put out a press release over the weekend describing the internal team’s hints and tips to make CC useful. The 2nd tip was “run it in a bunch of different features at once”.
404mm 1y ago
I got the same email (for my Pro account). And all the limits they set have nothing to do with their reason for setting them. Pro is so limited already that people “running 24/7” is a total nonsense.
bad_haircut72 1y ago
They set the pricing how is this even wrong - I will run my claude subscription non stop until they cut me off, I paid for it they should honor what they sold. And yes Im a max subscriber who still frequently hits limits

i mean, this is exactly how price discovery works. if you give loose usage requirements, you'll have actors who take full advantage of it. not on the people using it but ultimately on the company that pretends they can sustain something like this, and then claw back the niceties

Modified3019 1y ago

Yeah that part made me laugh. Clearly the work of Benevolent World Exploders trying to hasten the heat death of the universe.

taylorbuley 1y ago

I imagine this was not surprising. This had to have been well-considered by the teams in the first round of pricing. I'm guessing they just didn't want it to be a blocker for release and the implementation is now catching up.

serial_dev 1y ago

All of these AI services tell everyone how amazing AI is, it can run things, solve things on its own, while the developers are drinking coffee or sleeping. Some developers could actually do that with the service they paid for, fully in agreement with the terms and now it is their fault?

ohdeargodno 1y ago
"they paid for" $100 doesn't even cover the electricity of running the servers every night, they were abusing a service and now everyone suffers because of them.
- serial_dev 1y ago
  It is still not the users fault, pricing is not their responsibility. As a user, I check the price and what the service offers, then I subscribe and I use it. If these users did something illegal or breaking some conditions, any service would be free to block them. But they didn’t, meaning the AI tools promised too much for the price so they update their conditions, they are basically figuring out the pricing. I don’t know what is there to be mad about, and using dramatic language like “everyone suffers because of them”
  - currymj 1y ago
    a lot of "all you can eat" restaurants have to charge extra for uneaten food. there are people who just enjoy the feeling of abundance they get from paying a flat fee and then wasting something. This is clearly what was happening with the most extreme Claude Code users, because it's not actually that smart yet and still requires a human to often be in the loop. However, Anthropic can't really identify "wasted code".
  - Tokumei-no-hito 1y ago
    depends on your view of collectivist vs individualistic. if your actions are defined by legal ToS then no, they didn't do anything wrong. they paid, it's the company's fault for not expecting someone to use 50-100x a reasonable usage. if your actions are defined by ethical use then you understood that 50-100x the use would inevitably lead to ruining the party for everyone. it's like a buffet. everyone pays a flat price and can enjoy a big meal for themselves. maybe sometimes having a few extra pieces of cake here and there. until someone shows up and starts stacking plates well beyond any reasonable expectation (not rule based) of a buffet customer. what's the result? stringent rules that are used for legal rather than rational enforcement. it's obvious that even "reasonable use" is being subsidized, and the company was okay with doing so. until we have people running 10 opus instances in a glutinous orchestra of agents just because they can. now the party is over. and i'd love to know what these claude agencies were even producing running 24/7 on opus. i can't imagine what human being even has the context to process what 24/7 teams of opus can put out. much like i can't imagine the buffet abuser actually enjoying the distending feast. but here we are.
furyofantares 1y ago
Many such people have been in HN threads bragging about having servers running 24/7 and how they're getting $10,000 worth of compute (based on API pricing) for $200 per month. If anyone doing that is surprised that it wasn't going to last, then lmfao.
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OtherShrezzing 1y ago
Anthropic put out a press release over the weekend describing the internal team’s hints and tips to make CC useful. The 2nd tip was “run it in a bunch of different features at once”.

404mm 1y ago

I got the same email (for my Pro account). And all the limits they set have nothing to do with their reason for setting them. Pro is so limited already that people “running 24/7” is a total nonsense.

bad_haircut72 1y ago

They set the pricing how is this even wrong - I will run my claude subscription non stop until they cut me off, I paid for it they should honor what they sold. And yes Im a max subscriber who still frequently hits limits