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I'm probably in the minority here, but I also produce House music as a hobby and I love the idea of generative AI as a production tool. I paid $10 to try the l

I'm probably in the minority here, but I also produce House music as a hobby and I love the idea of generative AI as a production tool. I paid $10 to try the latest Suno 4.5 model and one of the songs it produced was incredible (to me) and sounded so much like the music from my Pandora station I'd never have known it was AI. https://suno.com/s/EjiWqoG3iR6OYXQA https://suno.com/s/EjiWqoG3iR6OYXQA I'm excited for the future of "Infinite Personal Jukebox" where you can hear an endless stream of music tailored exactly to your taste, and never hear the same song twice.

jakelazaroff 1y ago
I'm trying hard not to judge, but the "Infinite Personal Jukebox" sounds nightmarish to me — and I don't just mean to me, personally, but for humanity as a whole. You are describing a world in which music is devoid of any social context. No sharing songs with friends, no replaying the first song you danced to with a loved one, no seeing live performances, no researching who inspired your favorite artists — because in this world "inspiration" doesn't exist. Nothing will ever force you to reevaluate a genre you'd written off, or ponder tough questions — in fact, no media will ever challenge or surprise you in any way. That is a world in which one of our most primal connective threads has been robbed of its social and emotional value. It's just elevator music for our own private elevators.
- Wowfunhappy 1y ago
  I'd posit Spotify already is an "infinite personal jukebox" for a lot of people. We can have both. People will still want that social context, and will go to concerts and so on. But not for every song.
  - jimbokun 1y ago
    Things are bad already so we should make them worse?
  - jakelazaroff 1y ago
    I mean, I agree with that, but then what is the problem for AI to solve here (other than Spotify needing to pay royalties to those pesky musicians)?
jimbokun 1y ago
But with Suno YOU didn’t produce shit. Suno did.
- aspenmayer 1y ago
  That is a distinction with a difference to you, but it may not be to them. They may not agree that they didn’t make the output, either. Most people don’t even tune their own pianos, let alone build them. I think you have a point, but it’s not likely to matter to those who don’t view the questions or the answers you’re raising as meaningful for a given situation and context. So even if they agree with you and make the content anyway because they like it or it’s profitable, where do you go from here, in your argument or outside of a hypothetical situation? I don’t see how you can put the genie back in the bottle.

jakelazaroff 1y ago

I'm trying hard not to judge, but the "Infinite Personal Jukebox" sounds nightmarish to me — and I don't just mean to me, personally, but for humanity as a whole. You are describing a world in which music is devoid of any social context. No sharing songs with friends, no replaying the first song you danced to with a loved one, no seeing live performances, no researching who inspired your favorite artists — because in this world "inspiration" doesn't exist. Nothing will ever force you to reevaluate a genre you'd written off, or ponder tough questions — in fact, no media will ever challenge or surprise you in any way. That is a world in which one of our most primal connective threads has been robbed of its social and emotional value. It's just elevator music for our own private elevators.

Wowfunhappy 1y ago
I'd posit Spotify already is an "infinite personal jukebox" for a lot of people. We can have both. People will still want that social context, and will go to concerts and so on. But not for every song.
- jimbokun 1y ago
  Things are bad already so we should make them worse?
- jakelazaroff 1y ago
  I mean, I agree with that, but then what is the problem for AI to solve here (other than Spotify needing to pay royalties to those pesky musicians)?

jimbokun 1y ago

But with Suno YOU didn’t produce shit. Suno did.

aspenmayer 1y ago
That is a distinction with a difference to you, but it may not be to them. They may not agree that they didn’t make the output, either. Most people don’t even tune their own pianos, let alone build them. I think you have a point, but it’s not likely to matter to those who don’t view the questions or the answers you’re raising as meaningful for a given situation and context. So even if they agree with you and make the content anyway because they like it or it’s profitable, where do you go from here, in your argument or outside of a hypothetical situation? I don’t see how you can put the genie back in the bottle.