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Or, you know, there are different ways of using these tools. Slapping something into ChatGPT is one way, though maybe not the most efficient way of getting valu

Or, you know, there are different ways of using these tools. Slapping something into ChatGPT is one way, though maybe not the most efficient way of getting value out of these tools.

gonzalohm 1y ago
So what should I have done differently? If I have to spend 1 hour to setup the AI tools then I'm not saving any time
- danielbln 1y ago
  Using an agentic coding assistant would be the first step (there are many, Cline, Claude Code, Gemini CLI and various others) as those can traverse the code base, execute tests, run queries or web search and feed the outputs back into itself to validate correctness of whatever the agent has created/done. You won't need to set up this stuff for an hour every time, you set it up once and then you just give it commands. The skill ceiling is deceptive, it feels very low at first (after all, it's just natural language, right?) but getting an intuition for where these tools work best and where they break down, how to task them, what to include in the instructions, it takes a bit of using them first. That said, if you're a code maximalist, if you get most enjoyment out of hand crafting code or of you don't feel comfortable communicating effectively or delegating work, then maybe these tools aren't for you. At this point in time I'm also pretty much over proselytizing anyone, I get a TON of value out of this stuff, but everbody has to find their own workflows.
  - gonzalohm 1y ago
    How would adding my codebase help when I literally was starting from scratch and that's why I needed the configuration file?
troupo 1y ago
> Or, you know, there are different ways of using these tools. There aren't. Every new "one true way of doing it" that changes every few days runs into these problems.
- danielbln 1y ago
  Every iteration of the tools improves the output quality, many of the problems from a year ago are not problems today.
  - troupo 1y ago
    And new problems appear. This remains a fact of life: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44702776 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44702776
    - danielbln 1y ago
      Definitely, but isn't that progress? We solve problems and new problems appear, which we also solve. Rinse and repeat until the sun blows up.
      - troupo 1y ago
        > Definitely, but isn't that progress? That is beside the point of the original comment > We solve problems and new problems appear, which we also solve. In AI space these are not new problems. These are the same "let's try this new magic incantation agains a non-deterministic black box".
        danielbln 1y ago
        Ok man, you do you. I'm over here making food use of this tooling, but it's not for everyone. Agree to disagree.
        troupo 1y ago
        > I'm over here making food use of this tooling, but it's not for everyone. Yup, you're the one using perfect tooling that never produces any issues, or erroneous output, and is perfect in every way. Unlike these idiot opponents of yours who don't have the intelligence and skill to use these amazing magical tools. Or, perhaps, your opponents actually use these tools daily and actually understand what they can and can't do?

Or, you know, there are different ways of using these tools. Slapping something into ChatGPT is one way, though maybe not the most efficient way of getting value out of these tools.

gonzalohm 1y ago

So what should I have done differently? If I have to spend 1 hour to setup the AI tools then I'm not saving any time

danielbln 1y ago
Using an agentic coding assistant would be the first step (there are many, Cline, Claude Code, Gemini CLI and various others) as those can traverse the code base, execute tests, run queries or web search and feed the outputs back into itself to validate correctness of whatever the agent has created/done. You won't need to set up this stuff for an hour every time, you set it up once and then you just give it commands. The skill ceiling is deceptive, it feels very low at first (after all, it's just natural language, right?) but getting an intuition for where these tools work best and where they break down, how to task them, what to include in the instructions, it takes a bit of using them first. That said, if you're a code maximalist, if you get most enjoyment out of hand crafting code or of you don't feel comfortable communicating effectively or delegating work, then maybe these tools aren't for you. At this point in time I'm also pretty much over proselytizing anyone, I get a TON of value out of this stuff, but everbody has to find their own workflows.
- gonzalohm 1y ago
  How would adding my codebase help when I literally was starting from scratch and that's why I needed the configuration file?

troupo 1y ago

> Or, you know, there are different ways of using these tools. There aren't. Every new "one true way of doing it" that changes every few days runs into these problems.

danielbln 1y ago
Every iteration of the tools improves the output quality, many of the problems from a year ago are not problems today.
- troupo 1y ago
  And new problems appear. This remains a fact of life: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44702776 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44702776
  - danielbln 1y ago
    Definitely, but isn't that progress? We solve problems and new problems appear, which we also solve. Rinse and repeat until the sun blows up.
    - troupo 1y ago
      > Definitely, but isn't that progress? That is beside the point of the original comment > We solve problems and new problems appear, which we also solve. In AI space these are not new problems. These are the same "let's try this new magic incantation agains a non-deterministic black box".
      - danielbln 1y ago
        Ok man, you do you. I'm over here making food use of this tooling, but it's not for everyone. Agree to disagree.
        troupo 1y ago
        > I'm over here making food use of this tooling, but it's not for everyone. Yup, you're the one using perfect tooling that never produces any issues, or erroneous output, and is perfect in every way. Unlike these idiot opponents of yours who don't have the intelligence and skill to use these amazing magical tools. Or, perhaps, your opponents actually use these tools daily and actually understand what they can and can't do?