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> The bad DMVs oddly had bigger offices, they just had people who moved at a snail’s pace and didn’t care about anything other than running the clock out until

> The bad DMVs oddly had bigger offices, they just had people who moved at a snail’s pace and didn’t care about anything other than running the clock out until they could go home. Well, all of the people? You are certainly looking at the consequence of something that you don't fully understand. All of the people in a place don't start acting the same way for no reason.

Aurornis 1y ago
I don’t know what you’re trying to imply, but it’s no mystery why certain institutions start functioning this poorly. It’s because there are no consequences for slow or poor performance. The people who want to do a good job get fed up and leave. The people who just want paychecks and no consequences stay. It’s not a mystery.
- marcosdumay 1y ago
  Ok, I'll have to call bullshit on every level of that rationale. - Those people are not doing teamwork. People (competent or not) don't leave good jobs just because some random coworker is lazy. - Even if they were doing teamwork, hardworking incompetent team members are the ones that make life hard for everybody else, not lazy ones. - Those people are not reaping any concrete benefit from being lazy. Being forced to sit in a chair the entire day with nothing to do is torture; if they are picking that instead of doing their work there's a real problem somewhere. - I really doubt the people in question actually face "no consequences" and are not threatened all the time. That almost never happens in practice. - When faced with some problem overspread through an entire organization, your proposal is to go and punish the least powerful people. I'd recommend you to think about why you think that is what is going to fix the problem. - People with that kind of attitude have an almost perfect track record of creating this kind of problem or making it worse. It doesn't matter if it's in government or business.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    > Being forced to sit in a chair the entire day with nothing to do is torture; if they are picking that instead of doing their work there's a real problem somewhere. I don’t know what you’re arguing at this point. I’m not talk about people sitting in a chair doing nothing. > - I really doubt the people in question actually face "no consequences" and are not threatened all the time. That almost never happens in practice. Are you just rejecting the existence of this situation because you don’t believe it? I really don’t understand what you’re trying to even imply. I have anecdotes about different offices that accomplish the same exact task, but one was run very well and the other was not the slightest bit interested in running well. If you’re just choosing not to believe that a DMV office could be run poorly then I don’t know what to say, other than this conversation is going nowhere.
    - marcosdumay 1y ago
      > I’m not talk about people sitting in a chair doing nothing. Aren't you taking about public attendants at a DMV? > If you’re just choosing not to believe that a DMV office could be run poorly I suggest you read my post again. Or... by "run poorly" you mean "the management not constantly punishing people"?

Aurornis 1y ago

I don’t know what you’re trying to imply, but it’s no mystery why certain institutions start functioning this poorly. It’s because there are no consequences for slow or poor performance. The people who want to do a good job get fed up and leave. The people who just want paychecks and no consequences stay. It’s not a mystery.

marcosdumay 1y ago
Ok, I'll have to call bullshit on every level of that rationale. - Those people are not doing teamwork. People (competent or not) don't leave good jobs just because some random coworker is lazy. - Even if they were doing teamwork, hardworking incompetent team members are the ones that make life hard for everybody else, not lazy ones. - Those people are not reaping any concrete benefit from being lazy. Being forced to sit in a chair the entire day with nothing to do is torture; if they are picking that instead of doing their work there's a real problem somewhere. - I really doubt the people in question actually face "no consequences" and are not threatened all the time. That almost never happens in practice. - When faced with some problem overspread through an entire organization, your proposal is to go and punish the least powerful people. I'd recommend you to think about why you think that is what is going to fix the problem. - People with that kind of attitude have an almost perfect track record of creating this kind of problem or making it worse. It doesn't matter if it's in government or business.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > Being forced to sit in a chair the entire day with nothing to do is torture; if they are picking that instead of doing their work there's a real problem somewhere. I don’t know what you’re arguing at this point. I’m not talk about people sitting in a chair doing nothing. > - I really doubt the people in question actually face "no consequences" and are not threatened all the time. That almost never happens in practice. Are you just rejecting the existence of this situation because you don’t believe it? I really don’t understand what you’re trying to even imply. I have anecdotes about different offices that accomplish the same exact task, but one was run very well and the other was not the slightest bit interested in running well. If you’re just choosing not to believe that a DMV office could be run poorly then I don’t know what to say, other than this conversation is going nowhere.
  - marcosdumay 1y ago
    > I’m not talk about people sitting in a chair doing nothing. Aren't you taking about public attendants at a DMV? > If you’re just choosing not to believe that a DMV office could be run poorly I suggest you read my post again. Or... by "run poorly" you mean "the management not constantly punishing people"?