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Sig Sauer USA is in serious trouble here. Guns shouldn't be going off without the trigger being pulled, period. They've probably got 90 days to do a recall wi

Sig Sauer USA is in serious trouble here. Guns shouldn't be going off without the trigger being pulled, period. They've probably got 90 days to do a recall with a real fix or US soldiers will be carrying Glocks.

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reactordev 1y ago
I don’t buy it. Sig’s don’t just go off on their own. They just don’t. This is just idiot gun handlers or a cover up. *edit* I found this: https://youtu.be/NapE4CkWpHk https://youtu.be/NapE4CkWpHk which properly explains that in the line of duty (police for example) the safety mechanism can wear or be flipped while in the holster. It think that’s more a flaw of the holster than the gun. That’s why there’s a safety. So improper cleaning and attention to one’s weapon can lead to “accidental” discharge if you use one of those crappy police style holsters, rub against it a bunch to wear out the mechanics of your safety (which means Russian roulette every time you get in the car), is just stupidity. Just use a normal holster, so it takes you 0.2s longer to draw. *EDIT OF THE EDIT* So this guy needs some credit. He was able to reproduce it, scientifically, on camera. https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk&t=1705 https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk&t=1705 So, I stand corrected. This shouldn't ever happen.
- everyone 1y ago
  Forgotten weapons has done a couple videos on this over the years, this is the most recent one.. https://youtu.be/3iWVs2uD1XY?feature=shared https://youtu.be/3iWVs2uD1XY?feature=shared His opinion atm, is that it's nuanced.
  - reactordev 1y ago
    Yeah, I think I remember his first video on it. The issue I have is, without video evidence of a m18 pistol going off on its own, it’s hard to say whether it was the gun - or the current mental state of its user. I don’t know, but I do know the one I have is rock solid. The others I have used have been as well. The only gun that tops it to me is a solid 1911.
    - philwelch 1y ago
      There is tons of video evidence.
      - reactordev 1y ago
        kindy share because all I've seen is aftermath
    - anonymousiam 1y ago
      I like the 1911s also. I've got two Colt Series 80 MK IV .45s and I prefer them to the three other guns I have. My daily carry is a S&W M&P Bodyguard .32, because it's significantly lighter and smaller than the Colts. If the facts stated in the article are all true, then there's something else going on that has not yet been discovered or revealed. Perhaps it's related to a static electric discharge into the primer, or some defect in the 9mm ammunition.
  - worik 1y ago
    > nuanced That is not good enough for a gun
- philwelch 1y ago
  The SIG P320 does go off on its own. The sheer number of incidents with that model in particular, many of which occurred on camera and around multiple witnesses, is telling. SIG may have once been a reliable and trustworthy manufacturer but that’s no longer the case. https://youtu.be/b33AXiuytn0 https://youtu.be/b33AXiuytn0 https://youtu.be/z789IuTQLs8 https://youtu.be/z789IuTQLs8
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    Can you share actual timestamps of video of it happening? The first one appeared to be news reports and retellings. The second one is a highly edited music dubbed video (!?)
    - philwelch 1y ago
      If you don’t have the attention span for nine minutes of video I found a YouTube short for you: https://youtube.com/shorts/cOUfurKIjnI https://youtube.com/shorts/cOUfurKIjnI This same footage was in at least one of the compilations, as is footage of other discharges, and I shared the compilations largely to underscore the sheer number of incidents. If it’s not worth your time to watch it’s not worth my time to handhold you through it. Edit: I should have predicted this. If I share a compilation of videos, I get complaints about the format, and if I share a single short, I get nit-picked. This isn't a good faith disagreement, this is a couple of people playing a shitty game of "winning arguments on the internet" at best. ummonk shared a clearer example in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44697503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44697503
      - reactordev 1y ago
        In that video, I see a gun that has it's safety off, being holstered without regard to the weapon. User Error. Now show me one of it going off by itself.
- mingus88 1y ago
  Ah, the “you are holding it wrong” argument returns These are trigger-safeties, yeah? The ones that are marketed as safe unless you pull the trigger? Or is it # until you pull the trigger # or don’t clean it right # or don’t use the right holster # or don’t bump it against your buddy Anything else we should add to the list? Seems like it keeps getting longer. A lot of posts out there for accidental Glock discharges, too. I saw a video of a police officer walking to her car carrying an armful of stuff take one in the leg. They aren’t as safe as you think. If your deadly weapon requires perfect maintenance or else it will randomly kill someone then you are fooling yourself
  - reactordev 1y ago
    The safety mechanism prevents you from pulling the trigger. Speculation around how a P320 could go off on it's own is abound. Proper attention to your weapon is rule #1. So all of those things... ? I never heard the bumping up against your buddy one. So too does the list of reasons why it could happen without video of it. I see some cops on the group after the fact but I don't see any of it happening and then they check the weapon to see that the safety is still engaged. Which you would think investigators would do.
- KevinMS 1y ago
  That last guy video kinda explains this for me. If your holster somehow put pressure on the trigger (like he simulated with the screw), and somebody bumped the slide (like the incidence of the gun firing when they squeezed past each other and bumped holsters) you'd have a discharge.

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reactordev 1y ago

I don’t buy it. Sig’s don’t just go off on their own. They just don’t. This is just idiot gun handlers or a cover up. *edit* I found this: https://youtu.be/NapE4CkWpHk https://youtu.be/NapE4CkWpHk which properly explains that in the line of duty (police for example) the safety mechanism can wear or be flipped while in the holster. It think that’s more a flaw of the holster than the gun. That’s why there’s a safety. So improper cleaning and attention to one’s weapon can lead to “accidental” discharge if you use one of those crappy police style holsters, rub against it a bunch to wear out the mechanics of your safety (which means Russian roulette every time you get in the car), is just stupidity. Just use a normal holster, so it takes you 0.2s longer to draw. *EDIT OF THE EDIT* So this guy needs some credit. He was able to reproduce it, scientifically, on camera. https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk&t=1705 https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk&t=1705 So, I stand corrected. This shouldn't ever happen.

everyone 1y ago
Forgotten weapons has done a couple videos on this over the years, this is the most recent one.. https://youtu.be/3iWVs2uD1XY?feature=shared https://youtu.be/3iWVs2uD1XY?feature=shared His opinion atm, is that it's nuanced.
- reactordev 1y ago
  Yeah, I think I remember his first video on it. The issue I have is, without video evidence of a m18 pistol going off on its own, it’s hard to say whether it was the gun - or the current mental state of its user. I don’t know, but I do know the one I have is rock solid. The others I have used have been as well. The only gun that tops it to me is a solid 1911.
  - philwelch 1y ago
    There is tons of video evidence.
    - reactordev 1y ago
      kindy share because all I've seen is aftermath
  - anonymousiam 1y ago
    I like the 1911s also. I've got two Colt Series 80 MK IV .45s and I prefer them to the three other guns I have. My daily carry is a S&W M&P Bodyguard .32, because it's significantly lighter and smaller than the Colts. If the facts stated in the article are all true, then there's something else going on that has not yet been discovered or revealed. Perhaps it's related to a static electric discharge into the primer, or some defect in the 9mm ammunition.
- worik 1y ago
  > nuanced That is not good enough for a gun
philwelch 1y ago
The SIG P320 does go off on its own. The sheer number of incidents with that model in particular, many of which occurred on camera and around multiple witnesses, is telling. SIG may have once been a reliable and trustworthy manufacturer but that’s no longer the case. https://youtu.be/b33AXiuytn0 https://youtu.be/b33AXiuytn0 https://youtu.be/z789IuTQLs8 https://youtu.be/z789IuTQLs8
- Aurornis 1y ago
  Can you share actual timestamps of video of it happening? The first one appeared to be news reports and retellings. The second one is a highly edited music dubbed video (!?)
  - philwelch 1y ago
    If you don’t have the attention span for nine minutes of video I found a YouTube short for you: https://youtube.com/shorts/cOUfurKIjnI https://youtube.com/shorts/cOUfurKIjnI This same footage was in at least one of the compilations, as is footage of other discharges, and I shared the compilations largely to underscore the sheer number of incidents. If it’s not worth your time to watch it’s not worth my time to handhold you through it. Edit: I should have predicted this. If I share a compilation of videos, I get complaints about the format, and if I share a single short, I get nit-picked. This isn't a good faith disagreement, this is a couple of people playing a shitty game of "winning arguments on the internet" at best. ummonk shared a clearer example in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44697503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44697503
    - reactordev 1y ago
      In that video, I see a gun that has it's safety off, being holstered without regard to the weapon. User Error. Now show me one of it going off by itself.
mingus88 1y ago
Ah, the “you are holding it wrong” argument returns These are trigger-safeties, yeah? The ones that are marketed as safe unless you pull the trigger? Or is it # until you pull the trigger # or don’t clean it right # or don’t use the right holster # or don’t bump it against your buddy Anything else we should add to the list? Seems like it keeps getting longer. A lot of posts out there for accidental Glock discharges, too. I saw a video of a police officer walking to her car carrying an armful of stuff take one in the leg. They aren’t as safe as you think. If your deadly weapon requires perfect maintenance or else it will randomly kill someone then you are fooling yourself
- reactordev 1y ago
  The safety mechanism prevents you from pulling the trigger. Speculation around how a P320 could go off on it's own is abound. Proper attention to your weapon is rule #1. So all of those things... ? I never heard the bumping up against your buddy one. So too does the list of reasons why it could happen without video of it. I see some cops on the group after the fact but I don't see any of it happening and then they check the weapon to see that the safety is still engaged. Which you would think investigators would do.
KevinMS 1y ago
That last guy video kinda explains this for me. If your holster somehow put pressure on the trigger (like he simulated with the screw), and somebody bumped the slide (like the incidence of the gun firing when they squeezed past each other and bumped holsters) you'd have a discharge.