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This. Also, maybe setting legal precedent?

by montjoy 1y ago

refulgentis 1y ago
No. They're saying it was a stunt. Not setting legal precedent. There was no practical value.
- Lammy 1y ago
  The practical value is reinforcing among the general public the idea that humans should not be able to move freely around their own planet. In the future only money will have that right. The modern passport didn't even exist until World War Ⅰ: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521634938 https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521634938 / https://archive.org/details/pdfy-S0NQwPjPkMlzZ2eS/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/pdfy-S0NQwPjPkMlzZ2eS/mode/2up
  - refulgentis 1y ago
    Purple prose tripe re: some personal hobbyhorse masquerading as relevant commentary. Their obvious plan to subjugate hasn't come to fruition 50 years later, so its time to adjust your priors.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    "modern passport not existing in past" ≠ "free human movement" borders have largely had guards, who had no obligation to let people through, or even to treat them fairly and not rob them. frontiers had bandits who existed solely to prey on travelers. even if you could move to a different settlement, you did not have the same legal rights as citizens of that city. the "modern passport" has done more for free human movement than anything that came before.
    - csomar 1y ago
      Cities had guards. There was no border pre-1900 because there was no tech to enforce it. If you moved from one place to another, you were mostly at the whims of thieves and pirates.
      - Alupis 1y ago
        Pre-1900? Are you aware of how many wars were fought around the world just in the 1800's regarding border and territory disputes?
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        Insanely misinformed. What kind of tech do you imagine is needed? Have you heard of Hadrian's Wall? The Great Wall of China? Or more generally: forts, outposts, coastal batteries, scouts, patrols?
        joecool1029 1y ago
        Do you think they will be shocked to find out color wasn't invented in the 1900's?
        bigfishrunning 1y ago
        It has always existed in the merry old land of Oz.
        9rx 1y ago
        > What kind of tech do you imagine is needed? Agriculture, at very least. Before we created that tech you'd be way too busy trying to find something to eat to have time to stand around defending artificial borders. 1900 BCE mightn't be perfectly accurate, but close enough for a stupid comment on the internet.
        codetrotter 1y ago
        > 1900 BCE Nothing in the comment that we are talking about indicates that "pre-1900" is referring to 1900 BCE. It sounds squarely like it's referring to 1900 AD to me. Which is why people are saying it's ridiculous.
        9rx 1y ago
        > It sounds squarely like it's referring to 1900 AD to me. What part of "If you moved from one place to another, you were mostly at the whims of thieves and pirates." suggests 1900 CE to you? Have you never looked at a history book?

This. Also, maybe setting legal precedent?

refulgentis 1y ago

No. They're saying it was a stunt. Not setting legal precedent. There was no practical value.

Lammy 1y ago
The practical value is reinforcing among the general public the idea that humans should not be able to move freely around their own planet. In the future only money will have that right. The modern passport didn't even exist until World War Ⅰ: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521634938 https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521634938 / https://archive.org/details/pdfy-S0NQwPjPkMlzZ2eS/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/pdfy-S0NQwPjPkMlzZ2eS/mode/2up
- refulgentis 1y ago
  Purple prose tripe re: some personal hobbyhorse masquerading as relevant commentary. Their obvious plan to subjugate hasn't come to fruition 50 years later, so its time to adjust your priors.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  "modern passport not existing in past" ≠ "free human movement" borders have largely had guards, who had no obligation to let people through, or even to treat them fairly and not rob them. frontiers had bandits who existed solely to prey on travelers. even if you could move to a different settlement, you did not have the same legal rights as citizens of that city. the "modern passport" has done more for free human movement than anything that came before.
  - csomar 1y ago
    Cities had guards. There was no border pre-1900 because there was no tech to enforce it. If you moved from one place to another, you were mostly at the whims of thieves and pirates.
    - Alupis 1y ago
      Pre-1900? Are you aware of how many wars were fought around the world just in the 1800's regarding border and territory disputes?
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      Insanely misinformed. What kind of tech do you imagine is needed? Have you heard of Hadrian's Wall? The Great Wall of China? Or more generally: forts, outposts, coastal batteries, scouts, patrols?
      - joecool1029 1y ago
        Do you think they will be shocked to find out color wasn't invented in the 1900's?
        bigfishrunning 1y ago
        It has always existed in the merry old land of Oz.
      - 9rx 1y ago
        > What kind of tech do you imagine is needed? Agriculture, at very least. Before we created that tech you'd be way too busy trying to find something to eat to have time to stand around defending artificial borders. 1900 BCE mightn't be perfectly accurate, but close enough for a stupid comment on the internet.
        codetrotter 1y ago
        > 1900 BCE Nothing in the comment that we are talking about indicates that "pre-1900" is referring to 1900 BCE. It sounds squarely like it's referring to 1900 AD to me. Which is why people are saying it's ridiculous.
        9rx 1y ago
        > It sounds squarely like it's referring to 1900 AD to me. What part of "If you moved from one place to another, you were mostly at the whims of thieves and pirates." suggests 1900 CE to you? Have you never looked at a history book?