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khalic 1y ago
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- hansmayer 1y ago
  I own my own company, so I kind of already have "jobs" that I do not need to compete for.
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        tomhow 1y ago
        > My man Not here, please.
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        tomhow 1y ago
        > I’m done arguing with a smug man child You can't comment like this on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        khalic 1y ago
        So his insults are ok but not my pushback? Defending bullies is certainly a choice…
        tomhow 1y ago
        Sure, both of you contributed to a bad subthread, but the comment if yours I replied to was certainly the most escalatory and personally attacking.
        khalic 1y ago
        Only if you ignore his insults
        tomhow 1y ago
        I've replied to them too, but it takes at least two people to make a flamewar and you could have de-escalated or stopped replying at any time. Rather than pointing the finger at someone else, please make an effort to observe the guidelines and show you're sincere about using HN as intended. If you want others to be held to a high standard you need to hold yourself to a high standard. The right thing to do if someone else is breaking the guidelines is flag their comments and email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can take action.
        khalic 1y ago
        Alright, note taken, I’ll be more careful
      - tomhow 1y ago
        > The amount of people like yourself we reject for job applications seems definitely increasing. Please don't post comments like this attacking other users on HN. It's not what HN is for and it destroys what HN is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Eisenstein 1y ago
You are saying that people need to write so complex that an LLM that can pass an LSAT test with flying colors is unable to summarize its changes in a few sentences, or else their work is not critical? That is a high bar.
- hansmayer 1y ago
  I am not sure what tests LLMs are passing these days. Every day its some other metric of no practical usage. You know we make money by delivering working code and features. What I do know is that for myself and people working for me at my company, we hit the limits of their practical usage so often,not even counting the casual removal of entire parts of code, that we recently decided to revert back from agents to using them again only in the conversational mode and only for select tasks. Whoever claims these tools are revolutionary is clearly not using them intensively enough or does not have a challenging use case. We get it, they can quickly spit out a react app for you, the frontend devs and people who were never good at maths are finally "good" at something vaguely technical. However -try using them for production-ready products over several months every day, your opinion will likely change.
  - criley2 1y ago
    >We get it, they can quickly spit out a react app for you, the frontend devs and people who were never good at maths are finally "good" at something vaguely technical The LLM is better than you at math, too. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/google-clinches-milestone-gold-global-math-competition-while-openai-also-claims-2025-07-22/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/google-clinches-m... Plenty of us are using LLM/agentic coding in highly regulated production applications. If you're not getting very impressive results in backend and frontend, it's purely a skill issue on your part. "This hammer sucks because I hit my thumb every time!"
    - hansmayer 1y ago
      Again mate, not relevant. Oh how about this. Show me one major application that was developed mainly with LLMs and that was a huge success by any measure (does not have to be profitability). Again the benchmarks show what benchmarks show, but we have yet to see some killer app done by the LLMs (or mostly LLMs).

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khalic 1y ago

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hansmayer 1y ago
I own my own company, so I kind of already have "jobs" that I do not need to compete for.
- khalic 1y ago
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        tomhow 1y ago
        > My man Not here, please.
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      - tomhow 1y ago
        > I’m done arguing with a smug man child You can't comment like this on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        khalic 1y ago
        So his insults are ok but not my pushback? Defending bullies is certainly a choice…
        tomhow 1y ago
        Sure, both of you contributed to a bad subthread, but the comment if yours I replied to was certainly the most escalatory and personally attacking.
        khalic 1y ago
        Only if you ignore his insults
        tomhow 1y ago
        I've replied to them too, but it takes at least two people to make a flamewar and you could have de-escalated or stopped replying at any time. Rather than pointing the finger at someone else, please make an effort to observe the guidelines and show you're sincere about using HN as intended. If you want others to be held to a high standard you need to hold yourself to a high standard. The right thing to do if someone else is breaking the guidelines is flag their comments and email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can take action.
        khalic 1y ago
        Alright, note taken, I’ll be more careful
    - tomhow 1y ago
      > The amount of people like yourself we reject for job applications seems definitely increasing. Please don't post comments like this attacking other users on HN. It's not what HN is for and it destroys what HN is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Eisenstein 1y ago

You are saying that people need to write so complex that an LLM that can pass an LSAT test with flying colors is unable to summarize its changes in a few sentences, or else their work is not critical? That is a high bar.

hansmayer 1y ago
I am not sure what tests LLMs are passing these days. Every day its some other metric of no practical usage. You know we make money by delivering working code and features. What I do know is that for myself and people working for me at my company, we hit the limits of their practical usage so often,not even counting the casual removal of entire parts of code, that we recently decided to revert back from agents to using them again only in the conversational mode and only for select tasks. Whoever claims these tools are revolutionary is clearly not using them intensively enough or does not have a challenging use case. We get it, they can quickly spit out a react app for you, the frontend devs and people who were never good at maths are finally "good" at something vaguely technical. However -try using them for production-ready products over several months every day, your opinion will likely change.
- criley2 1y ago
  >We get it, they can quickly spit out a react app for you, the frontend devs and people who were never good at maths are finally "good" at something vaguely technical The LLM is better than you at math, too. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/google-clinches-milestone-gold-global-math-competition-while-openai-also-claims-2025-07-22/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/google-clinches-m... Plenty of us are using LLM/agentic coding in highly regulated production applications. If you're not getting very impressive results in backend and frontend, it's purely a skill issue on your part. "This hammer sucks because I hit my thumb every time!"
  - hansmayer 1y ago
    Again mate, not relevant. Oh how about this. Show me one major application that was developed mainly with LLMs and that was a huge success by any measure (does not have to be profitability). Again the benchmarks show what benchmarks show, but we have yet to see some killer app done by the LLMs (or mostly LLMs).