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From WSJ article: "KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Thousands of hungry Palestinians amassed last Tuesday morning outside a barbed-wire fence surrounding the Gaza Human

From WSJ article: "KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Thousands of hungry Palestinians amassed last Tuesday morning outside a barbed-wire fence surrounding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid center here. The moment the gates cracked open, the crowd surged forward. American security contractors tried to keep control, but scores of men pushed through barricades and snatched boxes of food awaiting distribution. Others sprinted in behind them. Men on speeding motorcycles raced past the pedestrians to grab whatever food they could. Gunshots rang out—it wasn’t clear from where. Within about 15 minutes, all the food was gone." https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/us-israel-gaza-aid-deaths-12d3fb35 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/us-israel-gaza-aid-dea... I know it's easy to judge being far away, but seriously, men on speeding motorcycles?

kennywinker 1y ago
What are you implying? Genuinely I can’t tell who you think these “men on speeding motorcycles” are? I don’t see anything obviously suspicious in that - if your family was starving would you sit back and let them die? Or maybe hop on a motorcycle and cut to the front of the queue?
- seizethecheese 1y ago
  I don’t think the people who are starving are the ones with motorcycles and gasoline.
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    Last I checked motorcycles aren’t edible and gasoline isn’t drinkable…
    - bobnotbob 1y ago
      If only there was some way to exchange one type of an asset, such a motorcycle, to another, such as food... Too bad nothing like this was invented yet.
      - kennywinker 1y ago
        If everyone is starving, good luck finding someone who values a motorcycle more than food.
        laurent_du 1y ago
        The obesity rate in Gaza is among the largest in the world. Let's stop pretending everyone is starving.
        lawlessone 1y ago
        Obesity is pretty high in the US, that doesn't make camp Bayou-Belsen in Florida right.
        Daishiman 1y ago
        You are manufacturing lies.
        adhamsalama 1y ago
        Let's ignore the blatant lie, are you implying obese people can't be starved? Wild take ngl.
        laurent_du 1y ago
        I am not implying, I am literally saying that. Obese people can easily live for six months to one year without suffering health issues. Gaza has a clean water problem, not a food problem. And what's the blatant lie? Gaza inhabitants are not suffering from obesity at incredibly high rates? Is Wikipedia lying about this? If you have credible figures indicating that Wikipedia is wrong on this matter, I would be very interested to see them and I would change my opinion on the "starvation" question immediately. I find it weird that you are immediately accusing me of lying instead of assuming that I am wrong in good faith, let alone thinking that you may in fact be wrong.
        kennywinker 1y ago
    - sandworm101 1y ago
      But they are storable, far more stable than food. So it should be no suprise that motorcycles continue to function long after the food has run out. And gaza is tiny. It doesnt take more than a cup of fuel to cover considerable distance on these bikes.
  - Aerbil313 1y ago
    During the Bosnian war even gold jewelry was worth less than food and cigarettes in weight, after the initial period. (I read it directly from a survivor's accounts.) You've got no idea how the combo of urban + isolation + starvation looks.
smallerfish 1y ago
> I know it's easy to judge being far away, but seriously, men on speeding motorcycles? Why wouldn't they be on "speeding" motorcycles? They have a family to feed. They're probably coming from some distance away. People travel on motorcycles.
- bobnotbob 1y ago
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  - plemer 1y ago
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    - cmilton 1y ago
      To be fair, everyone's account was that age at one time. I'd prefer we all engage with their words.
      - plemer 1y ago
        I’ll engage with you in good faith. The new account hasn’t earned that trust yet.
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    Dude. People will trample their neighbors for a black friday deal on a tv. Your family is starving, there’s not enough food for everyone - and you’re queuing up? I don’t think so.
MisterTea 1y ago
> I know it's easy to judge being far away, but seriously, men on speeding motorcycles? Desperation and survival.
laurent_du 1y ago
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kennywinker 1y ago

What are you implying? Genuinely I can’t tell who you think these “men on speeding motorcycles” are? I don’t see anything obviously suspicious in that - if your family was starving would you sit back and let them die? Or maybe hop on a motorcycle and cut to the front of the queue?

seizethecheese 1y ago
I don’t think the people who are starving are the ones with motorcycles and gasoline.
- kennywinker 1y ago
  Last I checked motorcycles aren’t edible and gasoline isn’t drinkable…
  - bobnotbob 1y ago
    If only there was some way to exchange one type of an asset, such a motorcycle, to another, such as food... Too bad nothing like this was invented yet.
    - kennywinker 1y ago
      If everyone is starving, good luck finding someone who values a motorcycle more than food.
      - laurent_du 1y ago
        The obesity rate in Gaza is among the largest in the world. Let's stop pretending everyone is starving.
        lawlessone 1y ago
        Obesity is pretty high in the US, that doesn't make camp Bayou-Belsen in Florida right.
        Daishiman 1y ago
        You are manufacturing lies.
        adhamsalama 1y ago
        Let's ignore the blatant lie, are you implying obese people can't be starved? Wild take ngl.
        laurent_du 1y ago
        I am not implying, I am literally saying that. Obese people can easily live for six months to one year without suffering health issues. Gaza has a clean water problem, not a food problem. And what's the blatant lie? Gaza inhabitants are not suffering from obesity at incredibly high rates? Is Wikipedia lying about this? If you have credible figures indicating that Wikipedia is wrong on this matter, I would be very interested to see them and I would change my opinion on the "starvation" question immediately. I find it weird that you are immediately accusing me of lying instead of assuming that I am wrong in good faith, let alone thinking that you may in fact be wrong.
        kennywinker 1y ago
  - sandworm101 1y ago
    But they are storable, far more stable than food. So it should be no suprise that motorcycles continue to function long after the food has run out. And gaza is tiny. It doesnt take more than a cup of fuel to cover considerable distance on these bikes.
- Aerbil313 1y ago
  During the Bosnian war even gold jewelry was worth less than food and cigarettes in weight, after the initial period. (I read it directly from a survivor's accounts.) You've got no idea how the combo of urban + isolation + starvation looks.

smallerfish 1y ago

> I know it's easy to judge being far away, but seriously, men on speeding motorcycles? Why wouldn't they be on "speeding" motorcycles? They have a family to feed. They're probably coming from some distance away. People travel on motorcycles.

bobnotbob 1y ago
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- plemer 1y ago
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  - cmilton 1y ago
    To be fair, everyone's account was that age at one time. I'd prefer we all engage with their words.
    - plemer 1y ago
      I’ll engage with you in good faith. The new account hasn’t earned that trust yet.
- kennywinker 1y ago
  Dude. People will trample their neighbors for a black friday deal on a tv. Your family is starving, there’s not enough food for everyone - and you’re queuing up? I don’t think so.

MisterTea 1y ago

> I know it's easy to judge being far away, but seriously, men on speeding motorcycles? Desperation and survival.

laurent_du 1y ago

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