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The Israeli state was literally founded by terrorists. The leaders of those terrorist organizations were the first leaders of Israeli prime ministers and secret

The Israeli state was literally founded by terrorists. The leaders of those terrorist organizations were the first leaders of Israeli prime ministers and secretaries of war and so on.

ngruhn 1y ago
What are you talking about? There's plenty to criticize Israel for but this is just hyperbolic nonsense.
- SadTrombone 1y ago
  How so? It's common knowledge that the nascent IDF absorbed terrorist organizations like the Irgun and Lehi into their ranks and gave them autonomy to operate as they had been. Leaders of these terrorist organizations went on to join the highest ranks of Israeli leadership. David Ben-Gurion being one of many (his Haganah cooperated closely with the Irgun and Lehi as they committed kidnappings, bombings and murders). This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's widely documented by respectable historians.
  - MPSFounder 1y ago
    That is true. Not sure why you are being downvoted. In fact, many of their victims were British citizens since it was under English mandate. It is impossible to reason with Israel apologists, for they are genocidal actors. It is what one would expect.
  - senderista 1y ago
    At the very least, I don’t see how anyone couldn’t call Begin a terrorist given the King David Hotel bombing, and he of course went on to become PM of Israel. The Irgun he led was also responsible for atrocities against Palestinian civilians like the Deir Yassin massacre, which Haganah definitely opposed.
- DSingularity 1y ago
  Nonsense? Hyperbole? I think you are either ignorant of the history of your country or you are ignoring the parts that don’t fit your narrative.
disgruntledphd2 1y ago
Lots and lots of states were founded by terrorists. Like, my state (Ireland) was founded by a bunch of them. Our longest standing leader (DeValera) was involved in the 1916 rising and was only not executed because he was a US citizen and the Brits wanted the US to join WW1. Which is to say, that many many states have been founded by terrorists/freedom fighters. That's the norm, not the exception. Like, from the perspective of the British Crown, George Washington was a terrorist.
- DSingularity 1y ago
  I’m using the word “terrorism” in exactly the way it should be used. Ireland was founded by people fighting for liberty. South Africa the same. The Israeli founders were terrorists. They used terror to ethnically cleanse the lands of its indigenous population. Anybody that supports this or tries to draw false parallels with genuine liberation movements is disgusting for obvious reasons.
  - senderista 1y ago
    That’s pretty naive. There are never unambiguously good and bad sides in a civil war. Case in point: the ANC terrorized and massacred Zulu nationalists.
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    - DSingularity 1y ago
      Okay that’s fine — call it naive. Way would you call condemning the Gazans for fighting against occupiers while white washing the long history of crime and abuse by Zionists?
      - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
        Israel hadn't 'occupied' Gaza since 2005.
jpadkins 1y ago
US, Ireland and many others were founded by terrorists. History is written by the victors.
- DSingularity 1y ago
  False. Americans taught for liberty from oppression. Same for Irish. Calling them terrorists is the slander of colonialists.
  - Veen 1y ago
    > False. Americans taught for liberty from oppression. Same for Irish. Calling them terrorists is the slander of colonialists. The Americans were the colonialists. They fought to evade taxes and to be free to steal land from its indigenous inhabitants, in pursuit of which they committed a genocide. The latter, in particular, was strongly opposed by the British government. A 1763 Royal Proclamation prohibited settlement west of the Appalachian Mountains, reserving lands for indigenous peoples. After alleviating themselves of those restrictions, the freedom-loving Americans then practiced a brutal form of chattel slavery for many decades after it had been outlawed by more civilized nations, including the Empire they had fought to be free of.

The Israeli state was literally founded by terrorists. The leaders of those terrorist organizations were the first leaders of Israeli prime ministers and secretaries of war and so on.

ngruhn 1y ago

What are you talking about? There's plenty to criticize Israel for but this is just hyperbolic nonsense.

SadTrombone 1y ago
How so? It's common knowledge that the nascent IDF absorbed terrorist organizations like the Irgun and Lehi into their ranks and gave them autonomy to operate as they had been. Leaders of these terrorist organizations went on to join the highest ranks of Israeli leadership. David Ben-Gurion being one of many (his Haganah cooperated closely with the Irgun and Lehi as they committed kidnappings, bombings and murders). This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's widely documented by respectable historians.
- MPSFounder 1y ago
  That is true. Not sure why you are being downvoted. In fact, many of their victims were British citizens since it was under English mandate. It is impossible to reason with Israel apologists, for they are genocidal actors. It is what one would expect.
- senderista 1y ago
  At the very least, I don’t see how anyone couldn’t call Begin a terrorist given the King David Hotel bombing, and he of course went on to become PM of Israel. The Irgun he led was also responsible for atrocities against Palestinian civilians like the Deir Yassin massacre, which Haganah definitely opposed.
DSingularity 1y ago
Nonsense? Hyperbole? I think you are either ignorant of the history of your country or you are ignoring the parts that don’t fit your narrative.

disgruntledphd2 1y ago

Lots and lots of states were founded by terrorists. Like, my state (Ireland) was founded by a bunch of them. Our longest standing leader (DeValera) was involved in the 1916 rising and was only not executed because he was a US citizen and the Brits wanted the US to join WW1. Which is to say, that many many states have been founded by terrorists/freedom fighters. That's the norm, not the exception. Like, from the perspective of the British Crown, George Washington was a terrorist.

DSingularity 1y ago
I’m using the word “terrorism” in exactly the way it should be used. Ireland was founded by people fighting for liberty. South Africa the same. The Israeli founders were terrorists. They used terror to ethnically cleanse the lands of its indigenous population. Anybody that supports this or tries to draw false parallels with genuine liberation movements is disgusting for obvious reasons.
- senderista 1y ago
  That’s pretty naive. There are never unambiguously good and bad sides in a civil war. Case in point: the ANC terrorized and massacred Zulu nationalists.
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  - DSingularity 1y ago
    Okay that’s fine — call it naive. Way would you call condemning the Gazans for fighting against occupiers while white washing the long history of crime and abuse by Zionists?
    - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
      Israel hadn't 'occupied' Gaza since 2005.

jpadkins 1y ago

US, Ireland and many others were founded by terrorists. History is written by the victors.

DSingularity 1y ago
False. Americans taught for liberty from oppression. Same for Irish. Calling them terrorists is the slander of colonialists.
- Veen 1y ago
  > False. Americans taught for liberty from oppression. Same for Irish. Calling them terrorists is the slander of colonialists. The Americans were the colonialists. They fought to evade taxes and to be free to steal land from its indigenous inhabitants, in pursuit of which they committed a genocide. The latter, in particular, was strongly opposed by the British government. A 1763 Royal Proclamation prohibited settlement west of the Appalachian Mountains, reserving lands for indigenous peoples. After alleviating themselves of those restrictions, the freedom-loving Americans then practiced a brutal form of chattel slavery for many decades after it had been outlawed by more civilized nations, including the Empire they had fought to be free of.