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French petition against return of bee-killing pesticide passes 1M

127 points by geox 1y ago

ExoticPearTree 1y ago
> National Assembly Speaker Yael Braun-Pivet on Sunday ruled out abandoning the legislation, named after the conservative lawmaker who proposed it, as it would "save a certain number of our farmers". Sometimes I have questions about the narrow-minded views of politicians. Sure, it helps 10 farmers but harms 100. Nobody seems to keep in mind the fact that if we kill the bees they're gonna take us with them. Feels like that episode from Yellowstone: John Dutton: And what effect you think 7000 acres of solar panels are going to have on their environment? Stanley: There's no evidence that solar panels would have any impact on the sage grouse John Dutton: What do they do with the sagebrush when they put in the solar panels? Stanley: They, they, they would clear it before putting in the solar panels. John Dutton: And remove the sagebrush? Stanley: Yes sir. John Dutton: Sage Grouse live in the sagebrush. Stanley: They do. John Dutton: And you don't think removing the sagebrush is gonna have an effect on the population? Stanley: I just said there's no evidence... John Dutton: You know what scares me about you, Stanley? You're serious.
- pyrale 1y ago
  This government gives zero fuck, listening to them is like listening to a LLM: they say whatever they think is going to convince you to give them a pass. It's not that they're serious about the grouses, it's that the grouses, the country or their own mother could crash and burn, they won't shed a tear as long as they can escape in time. And they're not smart enough to realize that they will probably not escape this one.
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- jraph 1y ago
  This law doesn't help the farmer as much as it does the pesticide producer.
jraph 1y ago
1 670 000 Seeing the number grow by the seconds is somewhat fascinating https://petitions.assemblee-nationale.fr/initiatives/i-3014 https://petitions.assemblee-nationale.fr/initiatives/i-3014
jansper39 1y ago
The UKs got rid of Neonicotinoids this year and the difference in the amount of flying insects in just half a year has been amazing. The only downside is the front of the car is looking a bit more grubby than usual.
- edhelas 1y ago
  Do you have some sources regarding a possible correlation between the two?
- CoastalCoder 1y ago
  > The only downside is the front of the car is looking a bit more grubby than usual. If you're getting grubs on your windscreen you're driving needs work :)
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BunsanSpace 1y ago
The French love their flowers. One of the most amazing things about Paris was how every patch of earth was bursting with flowers.
bondant 1y ago
Some people support this law, not because they think those pesticides are harmless, but because other EU country can still use these pesticides which give them an economic advantage. I don't understand while they are not instead asking for a European law to ban them. So every EU country would play with the same rules.
- nico42 1y ago
  > I don't understand while they are not instead asking for a European law to ban them That is exactly what they are asking for, but it's not up to them to decide for the other countries.
- jraph 1y ago
  > Some people support this law, not because they think those pesticides are harmless, but because other EU country can still use these pesticides which give them an economic advantage A race to the bottom. I understand the idea, but I don't find it great. > a European law to ban them ... would indeed be a better solution.
- antilisp 1y ago
  I don't know how it is in other european countries, but most French people wouldn't even think about it. They are used to the EU laws being dictated one sidedly by people they don't know and haven't voted for, and then parroted by French politicians with no resistance. Not that I know every French people
jokoon 1y ago
It's difficult to know about this pesticide if it's harmless or not, many conflicting studies. I guess the problem is the dosage? Why can't they just divide doses by 5 or 10? I fear they can't trust farmers to put too much?

127 points by geox 1y ago

> National Assembly Speaker Yael Braun-Pivet on Sunday ruled out abandoning the legislation, named after the conservative lawmaker who proposed it, as it would "save a certain number of our farmers". Sometimes I have questions about the narrow-minded views of politicians. Sure, it helps 10 farmers but harms 100. Nobody seems to keep in mind the fact that if we kill the bees they're gonna take us with them. Feels like that episode from Yellowstone: John Dutton: And what effect you think 7000 acres of solar panels are going to have on their environment? Stanley: There's no evidence that solar panels would have any impact on the sage grouse John Dutton: What do they do with the sagebrush when they put in the solar panels? Stanley: They, they, they would clear it before putting in the solar panels. John Dutton: And remove the sagebrush? Stanley: Yes sir. John Dutton: Sage Grouse live in the sagebrush. Stanley: They do. John Dutton: And you don't think removing the sagebrush is gonna have an effect on the population? Stanley: I just said there's no evidence... John Dutton: You know what scares me about you, Stanley? You're serious.

pyrale 1y ago
This government gives zero fuck, listening to them is like listening to a LLM: they say whatever they think is going to convince you to give them a pass. It's not that they're serious about the grouses, it's that the grouses, the country or their own mother could crash and burn, they won't shed a tear as long as they can escape in time. And they're not smart enough to realize that they will probably not escape this one.
- k0ngalion 1y ago
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jraph 1y ago
This law doesn't help the farmer as much as it does the pesticide producer.

jraph 1y ago

1 670 000 Seeing the number grow by the seconds is somewhat fascinating https://petitions.assemblee-nationale.fr/initiatives/i-3014 https://petitions.assemblee-nationale.fr/initiatives/i-3014

jansper39 1y ago

The UKs got rid of Neonicotinoids this year and the difference in the amount of flying insects in just half a year has been amazing. The only downside is the front of the car is looking a bit more grubby than usual.

edhelas 1y ago
Do you have some sources regarding a possible correlation between the two?
CoastalCoder 1y ago
> The only downside is the front of the car is looking a bit more grubby than usual. If you're getting grubs on your windscreen you're driving needs work :)

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BunsanSpace 1y ago

The French love their flowers. One of the most amazing things about Paris was how every patch of earth was bursting with flowers.

bondant 1y ago

Some people support this law, not because they think those pesticides are harmless, but because other EU country can still use these pesticides which give them an economic advantage. I don't understand while they are not instead asking for a European law to ban them. So every EU country would play with the same rules.

nico42 1y ago
> I don't understand while they are not instead asking for a European law to ban them That is exactly what they are asking for, but it's not up to them to decide for the other countries.
jraph 1y ago
> Some people support this law, not because they think those pesticides are harmless, but because other EU country can still use these pesticides which give them an economic advantage A race to the bottom. I understand the idea, but I don't find it great. > a European law to ban them ... would indeed be a better solution.
antilisp 1y ago
I don't know how it is in other european countries, but most French people wouldn't even think about it. They are used to the EU laws being dictated one sidedly by people they don't know and haven't voted for, and then parroted by French politicians with no resistance. Not that I know every French people

jokoon 1y ago

It's difficult to know about this pesticide if it's harmless or not, many conflicting studies. I guess the problem is the dosage? Why can't they just divide doses by 5 or 10? I fear they can't trust farmers to put too much?