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I am also deleted from socials from many years (besides anon HN), so I hear the perspective, but isn’t a bit dramatic to relate it to border reentry for an Amer

I am also deleted from socials from many years (besides anon HN), so I hear the perspective, but isn’t a bit dramatic to relate it to border reentry for an American citizen? Or is there some absurd news story I missed?

josefresco 1y ago
> is there some absurd news story I missed? You've missed several, here's a good summary (while it's still online): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_A...
- xdennis 1y ago
  > Stephen Miller [...] ordered American security forces to arrest at least 3,000 humans per day nationwide. What a bizarre article! It always refers to illegal immigrants as "humans" as if that's the crime. Is this a new trend in the euphemism treadmill? Have we moved from "undocumented immigrant" to "human"?
  - 542354234235 1y ago
    The article says "people", not humans. And whichever term it is using, it is not referring to undocumented immigrants, it is referring to people, regardless of documentation. "Trump's 'border czar', Tom Homan, has stated ICE does not need probable cause to detain people based on their physical appearance. Homan confirmed ICE has made what he described as 'collateral arrests' of 'many' American citizens". The goal is to arrest at least 3,000 brown people, many of which will end up being US citizens, but that is just collateral damage to them.
    - everybodyknows 1y ago
      It says "people" now. Half an hour ago it said "human". See edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:4040:5491:9200:7C45:9CB1:F0C4:C3E6 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:4... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration&diff=prev&oldid=1301789812 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_d...
  - jjayjay 1y ago
    In the minutes after you comment, it has been ninja edited to change "humans" to "people". https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration&diff=1301789812&oldid=1301781910 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_dep... The oddness of the original...was it was possibly pasted from an LLM response?
  - beAbU 1y ago
    It says "people" for me?
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    "Illegal immigrants" are humans. The term illegal immigrant is hate speech, trying to criminalize their being. Humans that broke immigration law is more appropriate.
    - asdfasvea 1y ago
      Oh good, more semantics to the rescue. You're as great as those people who ended homelessness with 'unhoused', ended racism by lumping all non-whites into 'people of color'. I'd say 'God bless you sir', but that's hate speech as well now.
      - saubeidl 1y ago
        Words matter because they define our shared reality. The examples you shared are liberal identity politics, nonsense I don't prescribe to. Calling a person "illegal" is a way of dehumanization. Dehumanization is the first step towards genocide.
        hagbard_c 1y ago
        The second and fourth part of your reply do not match the first and third one. > The examples you shared are liberal identity politics, nonsense I don't prescribe to. ... Dehumanization is the first step towards genocide. Good, wholeheartedly agree, identity politics is a form of divide and conquer thought up by people who had two goals: to gain power and to keep it. Also, indeed, dehumanisation has been used by many with ill intent to make it psychologically defensible to get rid of groups of people who either stand in their way or who are used as scape goats for everything bad whether those be 'Jews' or 'straight white men'. > Words matter because they define our shared reality. ... Calling a person "illegal" is a way of dehumanization. Nope, that is part of the word games played by the same group which tries to use identity politics to gain and keep power. Calling a person illegal is the way to refer to people who committed the crime of illegal entry, thereby violating immigration law. All countries have laws on migration and as far as I know all those laws - when translated to English - refer to Illegal entry when discussing those who violate it. It is comparable to calling those who commit the crime of robbery a robber, those who commit the crime of burglary a burglar, those who commit the crime of fraud a fraudster and so on.
saubeidl 1y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/05/12/hasan-piker-detained-border-agents-twitch/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/05/12/hasan-... > Piker, a U.S. citizen who streams on Twitch under the name HasanAbi, said in a live stream that he was taken aside after landing at Chicago O’Hare International Airport from Paris on Sunday — despite being enrolled in Global Entry, a CBP program that is supposed to give expedited clearance to “pre-approved, low-risk travelers” returning to the U.S. > Piker said he was brought to a detention room inside O’Hare that had “fluorescent lightbulbs, the whole nine [yards]” and where a CBP agent questioned him for about two hours about his job, his political affiliation, his opinion of Trump and whether he had any connections to terrorist groups.
- coupdejarnac 1y ago
  Hasan's story is totally fabricated, so that's a bad example.
  - Quarrelsome 1y ago
    why would it be fabricated? Given some of the opinions he espouses on Twitch and the hardline posture of ICE today it makes sense they'd interview him based on his opinions on Hamas.
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      > why would it be fabricated? for views and attention, he thrives on it
    - erentz 1y ago
      There was a deconstruction of his tweets timeline somewhere. He said he was questioned for two hours but the timeline shows the time his plane arrived and then an hour later his tweet that he was out. It leaves more like 20-30 minutes for questioning. There is speculation he actually was pulled aside for a routine Global Entry application on arrival interview since he had said he had applied for it in some prior episode.
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pembrook 1y ago
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- saubeidl 1y ago
  "They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’ "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have. "But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D." They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1933-45 - Milton Mayer
- huslage 1y ago
  This is incorrect. There have been many documented incidents of US Citizens being detained and harassed upon US entry for what they say online. You can disagree about politics all you want, but the facts remain that USCBP has begun persecuting people for all sorts of things, both political and otherwise.
  - pembrook 1y ago
    They have not "begun" persecuting people for all sorts of things. Individual CBP agents have always had extreme authority relative to their position and have always had cases of denying people for extremely stupid reasons every year. The idea that US citizens need to scrub their phones before entering the US is just a hysterical media narrative related to the drama around a certain middle east conflict right now (which I shall not mention because it will further devolve into a flame war). I can tell you with certainty the amount of border agents who have a strong opinion about this certain middle eastern conflict is exceedingly small.
anonym29 1y ago
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josefresco 1y ago

> is there some absurd news story I missed? You've missed several, here's a good summary (while it's still online): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_A...

xdennis 1y ago
> Stephen Miller [...] ordered American security forces to arrest at least 3,000 humans per day nationwide. What a bizarre article! It always refers to illegal immigrants as "humans" as if that's the crime. Is this a new trend in the euphemism treadmill? Have we moved from "undocumented immigrant" to "human"?
- 542354234235 1y ago
  The article says "people", not humans. And whichever term it is using, it is not referring to undocumented immigrants, it is referring to people, regardless of documentation. "Trump's 'border czar', Tom Homan, has stated ICE does not need probable cause to detain people based on their physical appearance. Homan confirmed ICE has made what he described as 'collateral arrests' of 'many' American citizens". The goal is to arrest at least 3,000 brown people, many of which will end up being US citizens, but that is just collateral damage to them.
  - everybodyknows 1y ago
    It says "people" now. Half an hour ago it said "human". See edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:4040:5491:9200:7C45:9CB1:F0C4:C3E6 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:4... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration&diff=prev&oldid=1301789812 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_d...
- jjayjay 1y ago
  In the minutes after you comment, it has been ninja edited to change "humans" to "people". https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration&diff=1301789812&oldid=1301781910 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_dep... The oddness of the original...was it was possibly pasted from an LLM response?
- beAbU 1y ago
  It says "people" for me?
- saubeidl 1y ago
  "Illegal immigrants" are humans. The term illegal immigrant is hate speech, trying to criminalize their being. Humans that broke immigration law is more appropriate.
  - asdfasvea 1y ago
    Oh good, more semantics to the rescue. You're as great as those people who ended homelessness with 'unhoused', ended racism by lumping all non-whites into 'people of color'. I'd say 'God bless you sir', but that's hate speech as well now.
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      Words matter because they define our shared reality. The examples you shared are liberal identity politics, nonsense I don't prescribe to. Calling a person "illegal" is a way of dehumanization. Dehumanization is the first step towards genocide.
      - hagbard_c 1y ago
        The second and fourth part of your reply do not match the first and third one. > The examples you shared are liberal identity politics, nonsense I don't prescribe to. ... Dehumanization is the first step towards genocide. Good, wholeheartedly agree, identity politics is a form of divide and conquer thought up by people who had two goals: to gain power and to keep it. Also, indeed, dehumanisation has been used by many with ill intent to make it psychologically defensible to get rid of groups of people who either stand in their way or who are used as scape goats for everything bad whether those be 'Jews' or 'straight white men'. > Words matter because they define our shared reality. ... Calling a person "illegal" is a way of dehumanization. Nope, that is part of the word games played by the same group which tries to use identity politics to gain and keep power. Calling a person illegal is the way to refer to people who committed the crime of illegal entry, thereby violating immigration law. All countries have laws on migration and as far as I know all those laws - when translated to English - refer to Illegal entry when discussing those who violate it. It is comparable to calling those who commit the crime of robbery a robber, those who commit the crime of burglary a burglar, those who commit the crime of fraud a fraudster and so on.

saubeidl 1y ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/05/12/hasan-piker-detained-border-agents-twitch/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/05/12/hasan-... > Piker, a U.S. citizen who streams on Twitch under the name HasanAbi, said in a live stream that he was taken aside after landing at Chicago O’Hare International Airport from Paris on Sunday — despite being enrolled in Global Entry, a CBP program that is supposed to give expedited clearance to “pre-approved, low-risk travelers” returning to the U.S. > Piker said he was brought to a detention room inside O’Hare that had “fluorescent lightbulbs, the whole nine [yards]” and where a CBP agent questioned him for about two hours about his job, his political affiliation, his opinion of Trump and whether he had any connections to terrorist groups.

coupdejarnac 1y ago
Hasan's story is totally fabricated, so that's a bad example.
- Quarrelsome 1y ago
  why would it be fabricated? Given some of the opinions he espouses on Twitch and the hardline posture of ICE today it makes sense they'd interview him based on his opinions on Hamas.
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    > why would it be fabricated? for views and attention, he thrives on it
  - erentz 1y ago
    There was a deconstruction of his tweets timeline somewhere. He said he was questioned for two hours but the timeline shows the time his plane arrived and then an hour later his tweet that he was out. It leaves more like 20-30 minutes for questioning. There is speculation he actually was pulled aside for a routine Global Entry application on arrival interview since he had said he had applied for it in some prior episode.
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pembrook 1y ago

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saubeidl 1y ago
"They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’ "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have. "But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D." They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1933-45 - Milton Mayer
huslage 1y ago
This is incorrect. There have been many documented incidents of US Citizens being detained and harassed upon US entry for what they say online. You can disagree about politics all you want, but the facts remain that USCBP has begun persecuting people for all sorts of things, both political and otherwise.
- pembrook 1y ago
  They have not "begun" persecuting people for all sorts of things. Individual CBP agents have always had extreme authority relative to their position and have always had cases of denying people for extremely stupid reasons every year. The idea that US citizens need to scrub their phones before entering the US is just a hysterical media narrative related to the drama around a certain middle east conflict right now (which I shall not mention because it will further devolve into a flame war). I can tell you with certainty the amount of border agents who have a strong opinion about this certain middle eastern conflict is exceedingly small.

anonym29 1y ago

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