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Technically he entered "without permission" but at the urging of the patient. Still negligence, though more understable. I wonder if a metal detector that preve

Technically he entered "without permission" but at the urging of the patient. Still negligence, though more understable. I wonder if a metal detector that prevents opening the door would help? Perhaps with a big, scary red override button for emergencies?

onemoresoop 1y ago
Nobody should have permission and be kept away at all times by staff. They'd probably follow rules for a while now.
WillAdams 1y ago
There is (at least according to one episode of _Grey's Anatomy_) a big scary red button to shut down the machine in an emergency, resulting in expensive to restore operation: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/m9algh/eli5_why_do_mri_machines_cost_so_much_to_shut_off/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/m9algh/e... According to the above post, it's a venting of the liquid helium, which requires ~$25,000 to replace).
- 9dev 1y ago
  We’re talking about a human life here. Fuck the balance and vent immediately!
  - egberts1 1y ago
    Again, it isn't an instant-off button. Only good for removal of any metal-adorn victims and unintended metallic objects ...
    - potato3732842 1y ago
      The dude suffocated. You don't need anything near "instant" to prevent that. Edit: Since apparently some people need reminding, per the article he had time to say goodbye to his wife before he lost consciousness, this wasn't some liveleak skull splat type thing.
      - zimpenfish 1y ago
        Do you have a source for that? The BBC just says "a medical episode" of which he died later.
        JackFr 1y ago
        Multiple heart attacks.
        zimpenfish 1y ago
        That I can well believe!
      - Filligree 1y ago
        He was wearing a twenty pound necklace. In a magnetic field that strong? His throat was crushed, likely instantly.
      - SketchySeaBeast 1y ago
        The chain apparently caused him to be hurled across the room. We don't know how he died, but given the inverse square law, the possibilities are quite grisly.
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  - shigawire 1y ago
    There is some consideration for other patients who may die due to not getting an MRI in the meantime
    - Hikikomori 1y ago
      They gonna to get an MRI while the guys corpse is stuck to the machine?
- swat535 1y ago
  I'm not sure: "apologies, it was too expensive to turn it off, better luck next time" is a valid justification nor is it a solution.
al_borland 1y ago
It seems like there could be a double door situation. Go through the first door, close it. The room detects metal, and only unlocks the door to the MRI if the other door is closed and no metal is in the room. I’m not sure what kind of emergency would warrant allowing metal to pass through when metal is detected, if there is a risk of death for using it.
- xboxnolifes 1y ago
  > I’m not sure what kind of emergency would warrant allowing metal to pass through when metal is detected, if there is a risk of death for using it. The risk would be in the false positive during an emergency situation.
  - solid_fuel 1y ago
    A false negative is also dangerous, if the magnet hasn't been quenched. In a case like this, trying to use metal bolt cutters to cut off a necklace or something is just going to compound the disaster if the magnet is still active.
- theshrike79 1y ago
  "The room detects metal" is a massive cost compared to just, you know, doing what the operators tell you to do, which works in 99.99999% of the cases.
  - cjbgkagh 1y ago
    Not sure why it would have to be a massive cost? Wouldn’t even need to be a room, a door like metal detector used normal security settings with its sensitivity turned up.
    - theshrike79 1y ago
      Now make it medical grade and it costs an insane amount.
potato3732842 1y ago
Tech: "ok we're done here" Wide: "honey can you come in here and help me since I don't have my walker" <dude walks right in and gets dead> Not hard to imagine something like that happening too fast to be stopped, especially if staff is distracted by the transition from running an MRI to getting the patient in/out.

onemoresoop 1y ago

Nobody should have permission and be kept away at all times by staff. They'd probably follow rules for a while now.

WillAdams 1y ago

There is (at least according to one episode of _Grey's Anatomy_) a big scary red button to shut down the machine in an emergency, resulting in expensive to restore operation: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/m9algh/eli5_why_do_mri_machines_cost_so_much_to_shut_off/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/m9algh/e... According to the above post, it's a venting of the liquid helium, which requires ~$25,000 to replace).

9dev 1y ago
We’re talking about a human life here. Fuck the balance and vent immediately!
- egberts1 1y ago
  Again, it isn't an instant-off button. Only good for removal of any metal-adorn victims and unintended metallic objects ...
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    The dude suffocated. You don't need anything near "instant" to prevent that. Edit: Since apparently some people need reminding, per the article he had time to say goodbye to his wife before he lost consciousness, this wasn't some liveleak skull splat type thing.
    - zimpenfish 1y ago
      Do you have a source for that? The BBC just says "a medical episode" of which he died later.
      - JackFr 1y ago
        Multiple heart attacks.
        zimpenfish 1y ago
        That I can well believe!
    - Filligree 1y ago
      He was wearing a twenty pound necklace. In a magnetic field that strong? His throat was crushed, likely instantly.
    - SketchySeaBeast 1y ago
      The chain apparently caused him to be hurled across the room. We don't know how he died, but given the inverse square law, the possibilities are quite grisly.
      - deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
- shigawire 1y ago
  There is some consideration for other patients who may die due to not getting an MRI in the meantime
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    They gonna to get an MRI while the guys corpse is stuck to the machine?
swat535 1y ago
I'm not sure: "apologies, it was too expensive to turn it off, better luck next time" is a valid justification nor is it a solution.

al_borland 1y ago

It seems like there could be a double door situation. Go through the first door, close it. The room detects metal, and only unlocks the door to the MRI if the other door is closed and no metal is in the room. I’m not sure what kind of emergency would warrant allowing metal to pass through when metal is detected, if there is a risk of death for using it.

xboxnolifes 1y ago
> I’m not sure what kind of emergency would warrant allowing metal to pass through when metal is detected, if there is a risk of death for using it. The risk would be in the false positive during an emergency situation.
- solid_fuel 1y ago
  A false negative is also dangerous, if the magnet hasn't been quenched. In a case like this, trying to use metal bolt cutters to cut off a necklace or something is just going to compound the disaster if the magnet is still active.
theshrike79 1y ago
"The room detects metal" is a massive cost compared to just, you know, doing what the operators tell you to do, which works in 99.99999% of the cases.
- cjbgkagh 1y ago
  Not sure why it would have to be a massive cost? Wouldn’t even need to be a room, a door like metal detector used normal security settings with its sensitivity turned up.
  - theshrike79 1y ago
    Now make it medical grade and it costs an insane amount.

potato3732842 1y ago

Tech: "ok we're done here" Wide: "honey can you come in here and help me since I don't have my walker" <dude walks right in and gets dead> Not hard to imagine something like that happening too fast to be stopped, especially if staff is distracted by the transition from running an MRI to getting the patient in/out.